Just now, Der Zeitgeist said:

And as was expained to you in the other thread by various users, the default ATC isn't designed for real-world pilots.

And as I explained to you in the other thread, this could have been done correctly without non-pilots even being the wiser. So why not do it correctly? Just bizarre.

20 minutes ago, mtr75 said:

Am I correct in assuming that you were entering a control area where the transition altitude was above the altitude you would be entering it at and that The instruction was actually FL049 or FL49? Because FL490 is 49,000 feet no matter where you're flying. And were that the case either 4,900 feet was either the MVA or the MDA on whichever segment of the approach they were clearing you for. 

nope. It was FL490..gotta love the default ATC.

Or how about this: here he is cleared for 8,800 feet, which would take him right into the side of a mountain. So he climbs to 9,000. Then ATC says "Maintain present heading and altitude," which would take him straight into the side of the next mountain:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIhpQW3zrj4&feature=youtu.be

Starts at 14:35 if the link doesn't go to that.

So is flying your non-pilot straight into the the side of two consecutive mountains an issue? Is this "nit-picking"? I personally think that, pilot or non-pilot, gamer or simmer, being directed by ATC to your virtual  death is probably not ideal.

Am I being too "pilot-y" here?

14 minutes ago, mtr75 said:

Do you have an answer or did you just come here to be argumentative and pointless? We most certainly have not been through this. 

There is no point in arguing about this anymore as it HAS been discussed here, recently and in depth. Transition Altitudes, parlance, USA versus European phraseology and erroneous or just downright bizarre ATC instructions, needless Pilot/ ATC Comms, etc

We're stuck with MSFS ATC that in loose terms can be described as Generic International and in less loose terms as a pile of steaming (word not for delicate ears). I'm a simmer and real world pilot. I don't fly with any FSX/ P3D ATC enabled as - it isn't correct. I can't speak for ATC in X-Plane but I gather it is rather flawed too.

Until something better - in the form of an add-on - comes along, if you are keen to fly with correct ATC and using correct for your country RT Procedures. Turn it off and just practise what you'd say real world in your head. Otherwise you're going to be soooo angry.

And we shouldn't be angry - we should be glad. . . 😉

 

1 minute ago, fogboundturtle said:

nope. It was FL490..gotta love the default ATC.

Ah, I thought you were talking real-world.

Just now, mtr75 said:

Ah, I thought you were talking real-world.

heck no. That would have been.. I am unable to comply. 

Isn't in universally agreed that at FL altitudes that they be flown at even or odd intervals depending upon direction of flight?

So: 7000, 7500, 8000, 8500, et cetera?

Just now, n4gix said:

Isn't in universally agreed that at FL altitudes that they be flown at even or odd intervals depending upon direction of flight?

So: 7000, 7500, 8000, 8500, et cetera?

Yep. Level thousands for IFR (7,000, 8,000, etc.) and +500 for VFR (7,500, 8,500, etc.). They would never give you 7,800.

5 minutes ago, Will Fly For Cheese said:

There is no point in arguing about this anymore as it HAS been discussed here, recently and in depth. Transition Altitudes, parlance, USA versus European phraseology and erroneous or just downright bizarre ATC instructions, needless Pilot/ ATC Comms, etc.

This has nothing to do with anything you've listed here. The altitudes given by ATC are incorrect and nonsensical. And as a RW pilot you know that as well.

4 minutes ago, n4gix said:

Isn't in universally agreed that at FL altitudes that they be flown at even or odd intervals depending upon direction of flight?

So: 7000, 7500, 8000, 8500, et cetera?

Mnemonic N4; East is odd, west is even odder.

3 minutes ago, mtr75 said:

Yep. Level thousands for IFR (7,000, 8,000, etc.) and +500 for VFR (7,500, 8,500, etc.). They would never give you 7,800.

Well then, might as well cancel the release entirely! Back to the drawing board, FS2025 it is.

2 minutes ago, Will Fly For Cheese said:

Mnemonic N4; East is odd, west is even odder.

I have my own mnemonic in German. Talk about odd.

Edited August 13, 20205 yr by mtr75

I prefer to fly under 3500 feet.  With the radio off.

Hook

1 minute ago, RobotRock said:

Well then, might as well cancel the release entirely! Back to the drawing board, FS2025 it is.

27 minutes ago, mtr75 said:

Never in the history of aviation has an aircraft been asked to climb to or descend to some random altitude like 7,800

Yes it has. Pilot2ATC does it quite regularly