58 minutes ago, martin-w said:

No. This is not the case. It has been confirmed that add-ons will be available from the store or from the third party developers website.

It baffles me why people would buy from the Store if it's going to be more expensive than direct from Aerosoft. This is what Mathijs said "Being discussed. It's complex with fees for the Flight Store (that's the name of the MFS build in shop) etc."

Fees means any software purchased inside the Store will be more expensive. Who on earth would choose that option? I realise Microsoft are hoping people will buy on impulse but the serious simmers who visit here will never take that option.

9 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

It baffles me why people would buy from the Store if it's going to be more expensive than direct from Aerosoft. This is what Mathijs said "Being discussed. It's complex with fees for the Flight Store (that's the name of the MFS build in shop) etc."

Fees means any software purchased inside the Store will be more expensive. Who on earth would choose that option? I realise Microsoft are hoping people will buy on impulse but the serious simmers who visit here will never take that option.

You are just speculating again.

Neither did Mr. Kok say that the products will only be available in the Marketplace (or whatever you want to call it) nor did he say the product will be more expensive on the marketplace.

@Ray Proudfoot The in-game marketplace might even be cheaper Ray, it cuts both ways. As much as MS are going to charge a commission, so do Aerosoft and all the other online vendors if you aren't going direct to the developer - MS could conceivably charge less commission than those or choose to put some of their commission towards offering occasional discount . Also I think you underestimate how much people rate convenience and are willing to pay a little extra for it, and for the console players there's unlikely to be any other way for them to get addons on to their sim.

Edited August 14, 20205 yr by ckyliu

14 minutes ago, RALF9636 said:

You are just speculating again.

Neither did Mr. Kok say that the products will only be available in the Marketplace (or whatever you want to call it) nor did he say the product will be more expensive on the marketplace.

It's reasonable speculation. No he didn't which is why I asked the question which remains unanswered. And it's not what I want to call it. It's the name he gave it. You're not adding anything to the debate. Just accusing me of speculation.

11 minutes ago, ckyliu said:

@Ray Proudfoot The in-game marketplace might even be cheaper Ray, it cuts both ways. As much as MS are going to charge a commission, so do Aerosoft and all the other online vendors if you aren't going direct to the developer, MS could conceivably charge less commission than them or at times choose to put some of their commission towards offering a discount . Also I think you underestimate how much people rate convenience and are willing to pay a little extra for it, and for the console players there's unlikely to be any other way for them to get addons on to their sim.

Cheaper? Really? Did you know SimMarket charges around 30% for hosting software on their site? But Aerosoft are not developers. They're also a shop. You can't buy directly from the developer who makes his products available at Aerosoft. So we appear to have a shop trying to do a deal with another shop. Two lots of commission.

I could understand it if the Brussels Airport developer negotiated direct with Microsoft but that is not what is happening here. The person who could end up losing out is the developer having to cut his price before Microsoft would make the product available. But with Aerosoft being the middle-man that's going to get messy.

 

6 hours ago, Scottoest said:

 

It also probably means the sim itself manages your add-ons to make sure they are installed properly, and patched up to date, if you go that route.

This is the answer I have been looking for.. if easier to add on and maintain, this will be a meaningful advantage (for many users) to use Microsoft market place.

Perhaps I missed it, but assuming freeware will eventually be available, how will that be downloaded or transferred into FS2020?   

2 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

It's reasonable speculation. No he didn't which is why I asked the question which remains unanswered. And it's not what I want to call it. It's the name he gave it. You're not adding anything to the debate. Just accusing me of speculation.

It looks like the names that are being used here are causing confusion. I think Mr. Kok may be inadvertently using the name 'Microsoft Store' to refer to the in-sim marketplace. I can't imagine addons for the sim being sold through the actual MS Store.

In any case however, the question has been answered several times, like others already said. MS/Asobo clarified that third party developers will be able to sell their addons through the in-sim marketplace and through their own store. They never spoke of any other way and never spoke of the actual Microsoft Store. Some third party developers are already announcing selling products through the marketplace as well as their own store, like before. Someone posted Orbx as an example already.

Four pages...really? No worries guys. There will be someone... somewhere to take your credit card info. LOL Plenty of time to sort out the marketing system and get it worked out. After all it is early in the process. The thing is still 4 days from release and they still have to sort out the flight model or at least some folks are saying that. LOL it is a good thing the internet was not around when the Wright Bros. introduced their new fangled flying machine. We would probably still be traveling by horse and mules.

I would buy directly from MSFS store.   I want a one stop shop like steam that keeps all my purchases in one place.  Over time I forget what I have purchased.  I have installers everywhere.   If I am wrong with updates and the msfs store I apologize.  However if they allow and give updates in one place I am all for it.  I may even be open to pay a few bucks more.  Probably the only add on manufacturer I would keep separate will be orbx.  Just because I like the way they handle their store.

2 hours ago, threegreen said:

It looks like the names that are being used here are causing confusion. I think Mr. Kok may be inadvertently using the name 'Microsoft Store' to refer to the in-sim marketplace. I can't imagine addons for the sim being sold through the actual MS Store.

In any case however, the question has been answered several times, like others already said. MS/Asobo clarified that third party developers will be able to sell their addons through the in-sim marketplace and through their own store. They never spoke of any other way and never spoke of the actual Microsoft Store. Some third party developers are already announcing selling products through the marketplace as well as their own store, like before. Someone posted Orbx as an example already.

Whilst I don’t question the contents of your post what I find curious is how Mathijs answered the question about a pricing policy. The simplest reply would have been to say it would be announced when Brussels was close to release and available direct from Aerosoft. But instead he talked about discussions with Microsoft being complex.

Why involve Microsoft if they can sell direct to customers? That wasn’t mentioned in that particular dialogue and my question asked twice has still not been answered.

If he just says products will be available direct from Aerosoft this discussion is over.

Mathijs Kok just posted this... “

Yes, we will still have the option to sell via our own store. But logic dictates that a lot of people will select the build in store so it will drive down revenue. Not a major issue as we expect a lot more customers but we still have to discuss it in some detail.

That clears that up then. 😁 If you want the lowest prices buying direct from the developer / retailer appears the best option.

Don't think so. He says people selecting the build in store will drive down revenue for them. This to me means the final prices will be the same on the game marketplace and their store, having MS taking a percentage.

10 minutes ago, Marco Manieri said:

Don't think so. He says people selecting the build in store will drive down revenue for them. This to me means the final prices will be the same on the game marketplace and their store, having MS taking a percentage.

I suppose it depends who you would rather have your money. If the Microsoft price is the same as the Aerosoft one (which I personally doubt) then either the developer or Aerosoft are losing out.

I would buy from the MS Store just for the convenience of not having to enter my payment details anywhere else.

Ray,

What makes you think that either of them will lose out?

If that was the case they should have researched the whole after sales market before developing the product.