Just now, Carts85 said:

Funnily enough that was my thread lol

Hahahahahah well you’re one of the only OPs with success I guess!

:))

Edited August 16, 20205 yr by FlyingInACessna

3 hours ago, March Hare said:

I'm one of the gamers. No idea how to fly a plane, and I will start my MSFS journey doing things that would clearly frustrate some people (but I probably won't play online). But I intend to learn, while also -- shock! -- enjoying the scenery and playing around. I've just bought a Thrustmaster T Flight HOTAS X, and a copy of Ace Combat 7 to "try it out" and satisfy the gamer in me.

I've been waiting years for a flight simulator with a realistic world to explore. Scenery you can actually admire. That has drawn me in, and I can't wait to learn to fly.

A wider audience is a good thing, surely, and be reassured that you don't have to fly online if you're a great pilot, so you don't have to run into amateurs like me.

 

We're all amateurs with MSFS. 

And I am definitely gonna be "playing around" !   I like a good checklist like the next guy but nope...this is not one of those times.

Just now, FlyingInACessna said:

Ah yes, the classic “I have a different point of view from you and therefore there must be something wrong with you!” You must be a joy to speak to!

Go back and read the post I responded to. That guy was having a go at me and another Avsim poster, as he's done multiple times before. Nothing to do with "different points of view" from my end. There's a bunch of people being "uncivil" in this thread towards me because they perceive that I am somehow attacking their sim (I'm not) and/or they're holding grudges from me pointing out their trolling on the forum for a different sim. Would I respond like this offline? ha ha, no, I think my response would be a little more direct and forceful... 

As for the rest of what you posted:

The chap I was responding to was making a big deal out of me supposedly saying something that I'm sure I didn't say. I know a bit about simulation based training. Yes, from what I have seen - I haven't flown MSFS yet - you could certainly use that sim in a training role. FAA certification is not required for learning. It's not designed for that purpose, and lacks some basic features, but if you can use a Link trainer for sim training you can definitely use MSFS.

Cheers!

 

 

 

 

Another useless thread LM are not in the flight sim sales scenario like MS are MSFS must make the numbers or else, the cost of P3D development is a drop in the bucket to LM marketing, i will still be flying seasons and PMDG Aircraft for the next few years something that`s not going to happen in MSFS for some time, they will be working on the base sim issues first seasons are distant. I fly in MSFS for summer flying.  

2 minutes ago, OzWhitey said:

17 minutes ago, FlyingInACessna said:

 

Go back and read the post I responded to. That guy was having a go at me and another Avsim poster, as he's done multiple times before. Nothing to do with "different points of view" from my end. There's a bunch of people being "uncivil" in this thread towards me because they perceive that I am somehow attacking their sim

Ah got it, my bad. Have fun everyone & be friendly :))

2 minutes ago, G-RFRY said:

Another useless thread LM are not in the flight sim sales scenario like MS are MSFS must make the numbers or else, the cost of P3D development is a drop in the bucket to LM marketing, i will still be flying seasons and PMDG Aircraft for the next few years something that`s not going to happen in MSFS for some time, they will be working on the base sim issues first seasons are distant. I fly in MSFS for summer flying.  

What seasons functionality does P3D have that MSFS doesn’t out of curiosity?

16 minutes ago, kingm56 said:

And yet LM/P3D made appearances at all the FS conventions; clearly, they new their product was being used beyond the training aperture it was licences to operation under.  To suggest otherwise, is intellectually dishonest...and you know it.  Moreover, we're not discussing licence legalities and/or marketing apertures.  We're discussing the notion of one platform being more conductive to simming than the other.  To that point, you've implicitly stated that P3D is a pure simming platform.  I've asked you at least three times to please list the features that makes P3D a more viable simming platform than MSFS?  In short, what does default P3D have that MSFS doesn't, as it relates to pure simming?   I can certainly list you multiple SIMMING features that MSFS has that P3D does not...

You're just making dumb strawman arguments about things I "implictly" said ie admitting I didn't actually say them.

You started this argument about me and some other guy supposed saying the things you're arguing against. The point about P3D's purpose was solely made in response to your earlier "uncivil" post. I have no idea why you made that post. i'm not here to claim what P3D's purpose is or what MSFS's purpose is. I have no idea how this argument started, and it's a stupid argument to boot which has nothing to do with this thread.

If you desperately want to argue for some reason, pm me and we'll do it there.

 

3 minutes ago, FlyingInACessna said:

What seasons functionality does P3D have that MSFS doesn’t out of curiosity?

My understanding as a non-beta-tester is that MSFS has snow, but does not fully model other seasons. It's very hard to portray seasons usefully with orthoscenery, but maybe it can be done effectively in the future.

Default P3D, like all landclass-based sims, has full 4 (or 5 in this case) season functionality. Addons like Orbx FTX regions are landclass-based, so also provide seasonal coverage.

As an orthoscenery fan, I almost never use landclass so this is not a distinguishing feature for me between the sims.

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, FlyingInACessna said:

What seasons functionality does P3D have that MSFS doesn’t out of curiosity?

Seasons are not in the release build still on the wish list.

1 minute ago, G-RFRY said:

Seasons are not in the release build still on the wish list.

Right, I know that. I stopped using P3D back in the early stages of v4 and never paid any attention to seasons functionality. I think I went from FSX to P3D for maybe a few months to X-Plane 11 for a few years, so I’m way out of the loop. I’m mostly wondering about what functionality related to seasons P3D has. I’m aware that MSFS has snowfall / snow. Does the land texture change in P3D to become fall-like and spring-like in terms of vegetation, sky color, etc?

20 minutes ago, OzWhitey said:

Go back and read the post I responded to. That guy was having a go at me and another Avsim poster, as he's done multiple times before. Nothing to do with "different points of view" from my end. There's a bunch of people being "uncivil" in this thread towards me because they perceive that I am somehow attacking their sim (I'm not) and/or they're holding grudges from me pointing out their trolling on the forum for a different sim. Would I respond like this offline? ha ha, no, I think my response would be a little more direct and forceful... 

As for the rest of what you posted:

The chap I was responding to was making a big deal out of me supposedly saying something that I'm sure I didn't say. I know a bit about simulation based training. Yes, from what I have seen - I haven't flown MSFS yet - you could certainly use that sim in a training role. FAA certification is not required for learning. It's not designed for that purpose, and lacks some basic features, but if you can use a Link trainer for sim training you can definitely use MSFS.

Cheers!

 

 

 

 

I'm going at you?  Can you show me where I personally attacked you in this thread? I offered a cogent argument and asked you to do the same. To be honest, I have grown tired of your constant bashing of those who don't share your optimistic view of P3D; it appears I'm not alone. However, I made no overtures in this thread.  Also, if several posters are acting 'uncivil' towards you, is it a problem with them or with how you've comported yourself?  Concerning the latter, if posters have a 'negative' perception of you, is it possible you contributed to said perception?  

Edited August 16, 20205 yr by kingm56

1 minute ago, FlyingInACessna said:

Right, I know that. I stopped using P3D back in the early stages of v4 and never paid any attention to seasons functionality. I think I went from FSX to P3D for maybe a few months to X-Plane 11 for a few years, so I’m way out of the loop. I’m mostly wondering about what functionality related to seasons P3D has. I’m aware that MSFS has snowfall / snow. Does the land texture change in P3D to become fall-like and spring-like in terms of vegetation, sky color, etc?

Now you know why i tried Xplane but could not give up seasons, I have my sim set to local time so i fly 4 seasons, funning thing is so is my Alpha MSFS, it will be interesting when you go from sunny to full snow.

2 minutes ago, kingm56 said:

I'm going at you?  Can you show me where I personally attacked you in this thread? I offered a cogent argument and asked you to do the same. To be honest, I have grown tired of your constant bashing of those who don't share your optimistic view of P3D; it appears I'm not alone. However, I made no overtures in this thread.  Also, if several posters are acting 'uncivil' towards you, is it a problem with them or with how you've comported yourself?  Concerning the latter, if posters have a 'negative' perception of you, is it possible you contributed to said perception?  

Chapstick, who is salty as I've objected to his constant bashing of P3D on the P3D forum at some time in the past said:

This dude is always complaining about people in the P3D forum slagging on that sim instead of being positive about it then he comes in here and does the same thing. LOL.

That was a dumb comment, as I've already said, because I didn't come here and "slag off the sim". In every second post I mention how amped I am to fly MSFS.

You then made the snarky post in response to Chapsticks post about me:

"Don't I know it...him and Sliver9 continue to perpetuate the notion that MSFS is for gammers and P3D is for serious simmers.  Doesn't matter how much evidence that states otherwise; they're sticking to their assertions"

It's not an "assertion I was perpetuating", you made up a dumb straw man argument about something I didn't say and then continued to try and argue the point. 

As I said last post, if you want to have an argument pm me, rather than continuing to add to the amount of forum drama on Avsim. 

Cheers!

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, OzWhitey said:

So Mathijs says the ratio of P3D to MSFS will be 1:500. Sure, maybe. What about the ratio of P3D to MSFS when you look at "people who will spend $100 on an addon plane". I think you'll find P3D scores a lot more highly there.

That is the right question to ask. I think Kok overestimates the amount of people willing to fork out up to 50% of the game's own price for a single (mediocre) Aerosoft addon airport – assuming, for illustration purposes, the MSFS standard version and Munich Professional at the current P3D going rate. Many will be content to fly around with what they get. I'd buy more from Aerosoft for P3D if their products were of higher quality.

Edited August 16, 20205 yr by thepilot

13 minutes ago, OzWhitey said:

Chapstick, who is salty as I've objected to his constant bashing of P3D on the P3D forum at some time in the past said:

This dude is always complaining about people in the P3D forum slagging on that sim instead of being positive about it then he comes in here and does the same thing. LOL.

That was a dumb comment, as I've already said, because I didn't come here and "slag off the sim". In every second post I mention how amped I am to fly MSFS.

You then made the snarky post in response to Chapsticks post about me:

"Don't I know it...him and Sliver9 continue to perpetuate the notion that MSFS is for gammers and P3D is for serious simmers.  Doesn't matter how much evidence that states otherwise; they're sticking to their assertions"

It's not an "assertion I was perpetuating", you made up a dumb straw man argument about something I didn't say and then continued to try and argue the point. 

As I said last post, if you want to have an argument pm me, rather than continuing to add to the amount of forum drama on Avsim. 

Cheers!

 

 

 

 

 

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Is that a personal attack?  I don't think so; however, calling posters dumb certainly is.  I never called you dumb, stupid, or suggested you were inebriated.  You certainly can't say the same; its probably the impetus of peoples negative opinions towards you. Also, your attempt to take the moral high ground is hypocritical; especially when factoring how you comport yourself in the other forums.  However, like you, I have no desire to continue to debate you on this subject; I certainly don't agree with the vast majority of your musings and your attacks on people who don't share your opinion, especially as it relates to P3D.  I suggest we just avoid each other...   

Edited August 16, 20205 yr by kingm56