2 hours ago, LHookins said:

Sales of P3D stuff is very low.  Well, yeah, thank Microsoft for that for announcing MSFS as early as it did.  They didn't do us any favors.  Then months of teasing which was starting to turn people off.

The thing has been in development for at least 3 years, possibly 5 I think? They announced it less than 12 months ago, I think MS were very restrained and that helped the third party developers sell more stuff. Also you will note Matthias said FSX and P3D addons sales have been slowing for 36 months, not 12, so only the final third of that period could be attributed to MFS publicity.

Edited August 16, 20205 yr by ckyliu

8 minutes ago, Chock said:

Don't forget to include the TM bit, otherwise you'll upset them, and then they won't let you ride on their toy aeroplane. It's Serious Simmers™

I agree, but you forgot the sarcasm quotes. 😄  My first thought when I was typing it was that it needed the TM indica, I just didn't know how to make one.

Hook

14 minutes ago, shivers9 said:

Yep I agree. MS has set flight simming back at least 2-3 years. It has been 1 year already and I am thinking it may be 2 years before we see much new stuff for P3D or Xplane because all the Dev's will be after the low hanging fruit with MS2020. You can't blame them for grabbing up the sacks filled with easy money. If the hobby is to survive, I fear the only hope is that in 2 or 3 years this new sim will reach a point passed Alpha/Beta and allow for deeper systems and such.

I simply don't understand your assertions.  You want MSFS to evolve to a point to "allow for deeper systems and such."  How do you reconcile that notion with the fact that default MSFS is a far superior SIMMING platform to default P3D/Xplane?  P3D has no weather engine and an inferior/outdated physics engine.  When developing a simulator, those two factors should be considered above anything else. PMDG explicitly stated their 737 NGX will be far more capable in MSFS than P3D. How does that comport with your assertion?  I think you have it backwards...MSFS will allow for simulation beyond the capacity of P3D/Xplane.  

Edited August 16, 20205 yr by kingm56

It should come as no surprise to anyone to learn there are high sales expectations for FS2020:

Its the first new release (in a nearly 40 year old franchise) in 15 years

The underlying technology is revolutionary (not up for debate)

Microsoft gave it the wisest possible marketing launchpad with their E3 reveal

Graphically, it’s stunning. Absolutely beautiful beyond comparison.

Multiplayer and missions potential is vast

Sim is built for maximum accessibility.

Expected critical praise (reviews come tomorrow folks)

Multi generational appeal
 

Why wouldn’t anyone expect this to be a major seller? I’m not saying it will, but I do think it’s very likely.

Edited August 16, 20205 yr by RobotRock

5 minutes ago, kingm56 said:

MSFS will allow for simulation beyond the capacity of P3D/Xplane.

Um, the default aircraft for MSFS are a little light in systems depth.

But a look at the insides tells me that MSFS is capable of some very nice things.  Very nice indeed.

Hook

58 minutes ago, OzWhitey said:

Mathijs is hardly an unbiased source. He has been making a very big deal about his links to Asobo, and the fact that he is distributing MSFS for them. Aerosoft have also not been producing much in the way of quality products for Prepar3d v5, so it's not surprising that their addon sales have dropped. I'm sure I've spent a thousand bucks on P3D addons this year, but hardly any of that has been Aerosoft. If they made some top-tier planes or some real P3D v5 airports rather than rehashed, overpriced "Professional" versions then maybe we'd do more business.

So Mathijs says the ratio of P3D to MSFS will be 1:500. Sure, maybe. What about the ratio of P3D to MSFS when you look at "people who will spend $100 on an addon plane". I think you'll find P3D scores a lot more highly there. MSFS's prime purpose is gaming. Prepar3d's is not. The gamers who were illicitly using P3D may leave, but that sim will still exist for its core purpose.

Go and look over on the PMDG forum where serious airline simmers tend to congregate. There's interest in MSFS, but also plenty of people planning to continue with their Prepar3d journey. The death of other simulators has been greatly exaggerated.

This dude is always complaining about people in the P3D forum slagging on that sim instead of being positive about it then he comes in here and does the same thing. LOL.

8 minutes ago, LHookins said:

Um, the default aircraft for MSFS are a little light in systems depth.

But a look at the insides tells me that MSFS is capable of some very nice things.  Very nice indeed.

Hook

Where did I make ANY references to default aircraft?  I specifically mentioned the PMDG 737...not the default A320.  In short, I'm not referring to default aircraft; I'm referring to MSFS as a simming platform. Currently, developers are forced to limit their graphical and system simulations to circumvent P3D's limited capabilities; said limitations appear to be resolved in MSFS allowing for deeper third-party simulations.  That paradigm exists TODAY; it's not something it has to 'evolve in to.'

Edited August 16, 20205 yr by kingm56

2 minutes ago, Chapstick said:

This dude is always complaining about people in the P3D forum slagging on that sim instead of being positive about it then he comes in here and does the same thing. LOL.

Don't I know it...him and Sliver9 continue to perpetuate the notion that MSFS is for gammers and P3D is for serious simmers.  Doesn't matter how much evidence that states otherwise; they're sticking to their assertions.

26 minutes ago, shivers9 said:

Yep I agree. MS has set flight simming back at least 2-3 years. It has been 1 year already and I am thinking it may be 2 years before we see much new stuff for P3D or Xplane because all the Dev's will be after the low hanging fruit with MS2020. You can't blame them for grabbing up the sacks filled with easy money. If the hobby is to survive, I fear the only hope is that in 2 or 3 years this new sim will reach a point passed Alpha/Beta and allow for deeper systems and such.

Thanks for the laugh!

48 minutes ago, LHookins said:

 And a keyboard chart!

It´s there because even experienced flight simmers from previous MSFS might need it. 😆

No kidding!

 

Just now, Chapstick said:

This dude is always complaining about people in the P3D forum slagging on that sim instead of being positive about it then he comes in here and does the same thing. LOL.

Yes, I complain about clowns who hate Prepar3d coming to the Prepar3d forum and trolling. No names mentioned, not thinking of anyone in particular...

The difference is I'm a fan of MSFS and can't wait to fly the word not allowed thing. I don't "slag off" MSFS, I was here in this forum defending it in the first weeks after it was announced in 2019, back when many were still angry at Microsoft for the whole MS Flight debacle and expecting a repeat of the same.

If you think mentioning the deficiencies in a new sim is verboten, you have a serious problem. I've also posted here many times about my enthusiasm for MSFS - which is currently 10/10+. If you consider the post that you're quoting to be "slagging off" MSFS, you'd better work on your reading comprehension.

Cheers!

1 minute ago, kingm56 said:

MSFS is for gammers and P3D is for serious simmers.

But MSFS *IS* for gamers... and serious simmers too once we get some better aircraft.  P3D is only for serious simmers... casual simmers are also allowed.  I'm kind of in the serious casual simmer camp myself.  I have high hopes for MSFS, but haven't deleted P3Dv4.5 yet.

Hook

2 minutes ago, OzWhitey said:

my enthusiasm for MSFS - which is currently 10/10+.

Dang, the guy is even more enthusiastic than I am! 😄 

I need to watch a few more MSFS videos to get in the mood to fly some more.  Flight sim burnout is a serious issue!

Hook

1 hour ago, OzWhitey said:

MSFS's prime purpose is gaming

This is just not true, it's a sim for all simmer's, true there might not be much in depth addons initially, which was also true for FSX,P3D and Xplane when they were released. But give it 6 months plus I'm sure quality addons will appear and eventually we will never have seen so many 3rd party addons.

3 minutes ago, OzWhitey said:

If you think mentioning the deficiencies in a new sim is verboten, you have a serious problem.

Projecting much?