1 hour ago, united001 said:

I bought my yoke, throttle quad and then my rudder pedals just in the nick of time before you cannot find these items anymore at least right now. I got most of mine from Sporty's and they are fresh out of anything for weeks now

That’s really interesting, I wonder if some of that is Covid related or if a lot of it is MSFS related or a combo of both?

28 minutes ago, OzWhitey said:

What is certain is that LM seems to want a simulation training platform, and they are certainly big enough to keep the project going even if every single recreational simmer decides to leave.

If I could hazard a guess, I’d say licensing it in the way they do allows them to offset the costs for whatever they’re using the software for internally. I’ve never checked it out, so it’s certainly a hazardous guess.

8 minutes ago, OzWhitey said:

Prepar3d is an interesting one. Despite having used the sim for almost 10 years, I still don't really know what LM's agenda is for developing it. For a 47 billion dollar company, it's a really small project and the target market is pretty speculative. If it's really designed for pro training, you'd think they would have put some serious dollars into it, but it often seems like more of a 'hobby-sized' project like X-Plane.

What is certain is that LM seems to want a simulation training platform, and they are certainly big enough to keep the project going even if every single recreational simmer decides to leave.

In a previous life, the HQ USAF branch I ran at the Pentagon managed the entire modelling and simulation budget for the Air Force.  Microsimulations like P3D can be quite cost-effective and useful even in a big first-world military for what we call "part task training", for example as a cockpit procedures trainer for basic systems "switchology" and operation, or practicing specific joint training tasks like the "nine-line" coordination procedures between a ground controller and an aircrew providing close air support.  In small austerely-funded air forces around the world, a microsimulation like P3D might well be used for much more ambitious training objectives.  I visited a number of countries in eastern Africa as part of a regional studies curriculum when I was a student at the Air War College, and at the main pilot training base in one of the countries we visited they were using FS2000 and a couple of popular add-ons of the day on workstations in classrooms to train their pilots on navigation and cockpit procedures.

A big defense contractor like LM provides a full spectrum of training options to its customers...P3D is just a small part of all that.  I still believe that our primary value to LM has never been as paying customers, but much more as a trained army of platform testers and validators.

 

2 minutes ago, w6kd said:

In a previous life, the HQ USAF branch I ran at the Pentagon managed the entire modelling and simulation budget for the Air Force.  Microsimulations like P3D can be quite cost-effective and useful even in a big first-world military for what we call "part task training", for example as a cockpit procedures trainer for basic systems "switchology" and operation, or practicing specific joint training tasks like the "nine-line" coordination procedures between a ground controller and an aircrew providing close air support.  In small austerely-funded air forces around the world, a microsimulation like P3D might well be used for much more ambitious training objectives.  I visited a number of countries in eastern Africa as part of a regional studies curriculum when I was a student at the Air War College, and at the main pilot training base in one of the countries we visited they were using FS2000 and a couple of popular add-ons of the day on workstations in classrooms to train their pilots on navigation and cockpit procedures.

A big defense contractor like LM provides a full spectrum of training options to its customers...P3D is just a small part of all that.  I still believe that our primary value to LM has never been as paying customers, but much more as a trained army of platform testers and validators.

 

Good analysis.

In a previous life, I was writing a PhD on things like part task trainers, so I can certainly imagine a stable version of P3D being used in this setting.

I agree that the sim community is not primarily of value as an income source.

v5 did not seem like a mature commercial product, but as a community we probably did a good job of testing it!

In addition to being testers, it's also possible that LM values the addon products - like airports properly modeled on their real-world counterparts - that get developed for their sim platform as result of us being here.  

You guys are funny, first of all P3D was evolved from FSX which in FACT an entertainment game/sim whatever you call it. You don't believe me, look at this video to refresh your memories 

 

 

14 minutes ago, w6kd said:

I still believe that our primary value to LM has never been as paying customers, but much more as a trained army of platform testers and validators.

Cool!  Somehow I don't mind being a tester for them.  Even if I have to pay for the privilege. 

Any chance of them upping their game and making P3Dv6 with streaming scenery, now that MSFS has show us it's possible? (he asks hopefully)

Hook

 

3 minutes ago, omarsmak30 said:

You guys are funny, first of all P3D was evolved from FSX which in FACT an entertainment game/sim whatever you call it. You don't believe me, look at this video to refresh your memories 

I think everyone involved here knows how that worked.  Were you aware that the licensing agreement between LM and Microsoft to use the ESP resources forbid them from competing in the entertainment market?

Hook

"I bought my yoke, throttle quad and then my rudder pedals just in the nick of time before you cannot find these items anymore at least right now. I got most of mine from Sporty's and they are fresh out of anything for weeks now, I bought mine in early July 2020. I just checked. They are on order for ... wait for it! ... Oct 15!"

Was pricing RTX2080ti's last night just for "fun", and they were sold out / out of stock in most places, even at the manufacturers sites.

3 minutes ago, desbean said:

"I bought my yoke, throttle quad and then my rudder pedals just in the nick of time before you cannot find these items anymore at least right now. I got most of mine from Sporty's and they are fresh out of anything for weeks now, I bought mine in early July 2020. I just checked. They are on order for ... wait for it! ... Oct 15!"

Was pricing RTX2080ti's last night just for "fun", and they were sold out / out of stock in most places, even at the manufacturers sites.

About the RTX 2080 Ti, it might be for a different reason. The new generation is about to hit the market (rumors, but strong ones). 

https://techreport.com/news/3472075/nvidia-stop-production-rtx-2070-2080-gpus/

https://www.techpowerup.com/269774/nvidia-prepares-to-stop-production-of-popular-rtx-20-series-skus-raise-prices

20 minutes ago, ca_metal said:

About the RTX 2080 Ti, it might be for a different reason. The new generation is about to hit the market (rumors, but strong ones). 

https://techreport.com/news/3472075/nvidia-stop-production-rtx-2070-2080-gpus/

https://www.techpowerup.com/269774/nvidia-prepares-to-stop-production-of-popular-rtx-20-series-skus-raise-prices

Nice to know, thanks. I didn't realize that they cut production so far in advance of new releases. And to top it off they are advising raising prices on the existing inventory which seems the opposite of the way things usually work. Better off waiting for the new cards anyway. I have a feeling that new card inventory is going to be limited for quite awhile once released. Wonder how many thousands a new RTX3090ti is going to set you back.

1 hour ago, omarsmak30 said:

You guys are funny, first of all P3D was evolved from FSX which in FACT an entertainment game/sim whatever you call it. You don't believe me, look at this video to refresh your memories 

MS pulled the plug on MS flight sim FSX then offered the code around to anyone to develop from LM did, Asobo have built MSFS on FSX check the very first vid in Seattle demo.

4 minutes ago, G-RFRY said:

MS pulled the plug on MS flight sim FSX then offered the code around to anyone to develop from LM did, Asobo have built MSFS on FSX check the very first vid in Seattle demo.

Well kind of.. as mentioned above, LM built P3D off the ESP code, not FSX.  😉

As for Asobo, yes, I believe they had the FSX code base available to them..

1 hour ago, w6kd said:

In a previous life, the HQ USAF branch I ran at the Pentagon managed the entire modelling and simulation budget for the Air Force.  Microsimulations like P3D can be quite cost-effective and useful even in a big first-world military for what we call "part task training", for example as a cockpit procedures trainer for basic systems "switchology" and operation, or practicing specific joint training tasks like the "nine-line" coordination procedures between a ground controller and an aircrew providing close air support.  In small austerely-funded air forces around the world, a microsimulation like P3D might well be used for much more ambitious training objectives.  I visited a number of countries in eastern Africa as part of a regional studies curriculum when I was a student at the Air War College, and at the main pilot training base in one of the countries we visited they were using FS2000 and a couple of popular add-ons of the day on workstations in classrooms to train their pilots on navigation and cockpit procedures.

A big defense contractor like LM provides a full spectrum of training options to its customers...P3D is just a small part of all that.  I still believe that our primary value to LM has never been as paying customers, but much more as a trained army of platform testers and validators.

 

Well said Bob, not to mention that few, if any here have seen the commercial/military version of P3D.

 

I wish it wasent considered a game.......it shud be refferd to "a Sim".....its not a game is it....very frustrating..

its a Sim........not a game