1 hour ago, edpatino said:

I feel bad and sorry for those people who uninstalled their X-P or P3D just because the new sim was coming in. Now, back to work!.

Cheers, Ed

Hi Ed,

Still here with P3Dv5 and my 737-800 home cockpit.

I have no problem running both P3D and MSFS on my pc’s, but MSFS has to be more enhanced incl the SDK to connect it to my pc’s.

- No WidevieW as Luciano waits for a more enhanced SDK

- No Prosim as it needs a more enhanced SDK

I have seen VFR vids and high altitude vids. 
Surely the terrain will be less sharp at high altitude than in reality.
As I have pointed out several times : there is no such thing as a free ride.

If you crank up the LOD radius it has an impact on performance. Asobo did a very good job to go from sharp nearby to less sharp in the distance.

MSFS will grow ; bugs will be fixed and features will be working ( no fisheye fix working yet although it is the menu ).

P3D will grow too. XP has its cellphone version. 
They will all reside next to eachother.

One point of critism : why are buildings and cars so superclean ? Are they being washed at startup ? 🥳

Just now, Agrajag said:

Yes. And you skipped over the finer points like actually getting it installed. Again, no one need take my word for it. Just go on youtube and search Ortho4XP. Gee, if it's so brain-dead simple then why are the literally countless videos to explain how to get it to work? I don't see a lot of videos on how to install a light bulb, or how to eat ice cream. Then there are the countless threads on x-plane.org of desperate users begging anyone to help them get it running. We can then discuss the countless threads of people discussing all the broken ortho they have and how to fix it, but because you've had an easy go of it, none of this actually happened or exists.

Nowadays installing Ortho4XP on windows is as simple as dropping the precompiled stable release in a folder and pointing it to your X-Plane install. The Linux and OS-X users are not so lucky but who cares? If you are singing the praises of FS2020 I am pretty sure that you are on Windows. By the way look at all the posts from people that had problems installing FS2020, read the Steam forum. There are always people that get into problems, even with something as simple as a FS2020 install. 
 

But hey if you have any interest in photo scenery and you where successful in installing FS2020 you too can enjoy world wide photo scenery without pre compiling, installing tools and guaranteeing that you have unlimited drivespace. And it looks pretty good too. Always nice to have options. 

10 minutes ago, Agrajag said:

Yes. And you skipped over the finer points like actually getting it installed. Again, no one need take my word for it. Just go on youtube and search Ortho4XP. Gee, if it's so brain-dead simple then why are there literally countless videos to explain how to get it to work? I don't see a lot of videos on how to install a light bulb, or how to eat ice cream. Then there are the countless threads on x-plane.org of desperate users begging anyone to help them get it running. We can then discuss the countless threads of people discussing all the broken ortho they have and how to fix it, but because you've had an easy go of it, none of this actually happened or exists.

Yikes...I used to have over 15Tb of XP Orthos and it was just a mess to get everything up an running. Even with all this hassle and eaten space, it would only cover 15% of the world or so...

If your Business doesn't have competition you have a problem.Competition is validation for your product , and that should be celebrated rather than dreaded... Something something from forbes

11 minutes ago, boshar said:

Nowadays installing Ortho4XP on windows is as simple as dropping the precompiled stable release in a folder and pointing it to your X-Plane install. The Linux and OS-X users are not so lucky but who cares? If you are singing the praises of FS2020 I am pretty sure that you are on Windows. By the way look at all the posts from people that had problems installing FS2020, read the Steam forum. There are always people that get into problems, even with something as simple as a FS2020 install. 

You've made the mistake of assuming I'm some sort of FS2020 apologist. Incorrect. A large number of my posts on this product have been quite pointed. I would have never green-lighted this thing as-is, but I can see where this is heading. Meanwhile, I've also had nearly 30 years of watching X-Plane evolve and am pretty confident on what is most likely to be their in their future. One only needs to listen to the boss. In a world of satellite imagery, he believes the answer is better autogen. It's like listening to someone argue with Henry Ford that what the world needs more are better trained horses. One doesn't need to be an apologist to grasp the short-sightedness of that sort of thinking.

One thing : the title of this Topic is just the phantasy of its poster...

Incredible how people overreact on a .....  hobby 😎

Go flying .... doesn’t matter with what sim as long as you are feeling happy ...

That’s the only thing that counts ....

6 hours ago, tonywob said:

As for lime/neon green aerial imagery, this is a common problem with aerial imagery (I've edited enough to have seen it a LOT). I noticed that if you head south from Seattle which looks incredible towards KOLM, it turns a rather bright lime greenish colour and some of my favourite PNW areas also suffer this. I think the sim did its best to cover over these areas with trees and autogen, but it does stand out, especially when you compare it to how other areas look. My major concern with the streaming imagery approach is that when areas get updated, they don't necessarily get updated for the better (Up-to-date yes, pretty, no). It's certainly not a show-stopper, but it is noticeable.

It made it hard for me to read comments such as "This sim won't need third-parties" and far less polite comments wishing the death of third-parties. I immediately thought the opposite, and I'd personally pay for better representations of the areas I know and airports etc... As the now famous line says "The world is a big place" 🙂

 

I agree and I think your points all make perfect sense. It's not a totally failed attempt, but I think given the amount of resources they have, they really should have had tone mapping experts working on automating some of it. To me it looks like they budgeted all the resources to the rendering guys to let them try to HIDE the bad ortho with objects, instead of actually correcting any ortho (whether that be manual or using color tone maps).

It's not that I see it as a total failure overall, nah, but it's just they really should have at the very least corrected all the tiles within say 5 miles of the major international airports. It seems rushed for sure, leaving all those miscolored tiles right around the big airports. I mean correcting stuff is not simple as we both know, but it is also not that hard to correct just a few tiles near a major airport.

Also, why not give us some 60cm, I mean Mt Rainier at least, or something. It's right there in Bing as higher res, but they down-scaled everything, even the airport tiles. I'm not expecting them to let me download the whole world in 60cm, but some places should have been allowed.

Edited August 23, 20205 yr by SceneryFX

Out of the box day 6 , hands down this is the most amazing looking Sim over all that I have ever seen. Needs work ? Day 6 of release!!! 

14 minutes ago, SirDan said:

Out of the box day 6 , hands down this is the most amazing looking Sim over all that I have ever seen. Needs work ? Day 6 of release!!! 

The bar was really low, I mean Flight Sims have always relied on third parties to improve the scenery, but yes they did a great job on the trees and buildings. They did 2 out of 3 things right, I guess I will give them that.

The problem is I don't have much hope they will make any changes to the Ortho or the visuals where needed, I think all the bug fixes are going to be in integration and SDK and maybe a few others. I don't have much hope for them going back and redoing anything, so to me a release is a release. The product managers and leads are not going to see any reason to make changes where they don't see a financial incentive to do so. This is the case with most releases, sometimes a company will go against the curve, but not usually.

I could be wrong, but I do not believe they will ever give us access to download any 60cm, nor do I believe they will ever fix any of the ortho (whether day # 6 or day # 99999). Others are overly optimistic about how many post-release changes are coming, I am not.

Edited August 23, 20205 yr by SceneryFX

Just now, SceneryFX said:

The bar was really low, I mean Flight Sims have always relied on third parties to improve the scenery, but yes they did a great job on the trees and buildings. They did 2 out of 3 things right, I guess I will give them that.

The problem is I don't have much hope they will make any changes to the Ortho or the visuals where needed, I think all the bug fixes are going to be in integration and SDK and maybe a few others. I don't have much hope for them going back and redoing anything, so to me a release is a release. The product managers and leads are not going to see any reason to make changes where they don't see a financial incentive to do so. This is the case with most releases, sometimes a company will go against the curve, but not usually.

If they do not improve this product over the 10 years they've committed to, then the resources will dry up. There's a reason there was a FS every few years and I expect this to be no different. You want the higher res graphics? Buy the new upgrade. Pretty simple.

You mean how they added the mainland area in Microsoft Flight, oh wait they didn't...

39 minutes ago, Agrajag said:

One only needs to listen to the boss. In a world of satellite imagery, he believes the answer is better autogen. It's like listening to someone argue with Henry Ford that what the world needs more are better trained horses. One doesn't need to be an apologist to grasp the short-sightedness of that sort of thinking.

I believe photo scenery has its place but it also has obvious drawbacks.

You will never get cloudless high res satellite imagery from the whole world let alone useful seasons. Shadows are also baked in, the wind turbines models are alway accompanied with their flat twin ghosts baked into the scenery. Military installations and sites like nuclear plants are blurred and the list goes on. I take it for granted that these things ‘pop up’ with this method but it’s far from ideal.

I don’t care if it is X-Plane Next or whatever other company that comes up with a solution. With photo scenery I always had a first ‘wow, this is great’ period shortly followed by disappointment after a look at how the sausage is made. If someone comes up with a better alternative I will certainly give it a chance.

Don’t know if you ever experienced it but long ago we had TRI Fly and Fly2. There we already had tools to convert USG land use data into a synthetic satellite photo. A similar system using the better data we have available now and better base textures could possibly make a real looking synthetic world without color differences, ugly artifacts and do this for multiple seasons. It might look a bit too clean but it would also have its advantages. The result could be streamed like FS2020 already does. I would love the possibilities that such a solution would bring. 

Edited August 23, 20205 yr by boshar
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2 minutes ago, SceneryFX said:

You mean how they added the mainland area in Microsoft Flight, oh wait they didn't...

In 28 years of selling Flight Simulator there were 10 versions of the product or one less than every three years. Are you suggesting, for even a moment, that over the next 10 years and likely 3 major updates, that the graphics won't improve? If so, that's a gaming business model unlike anything that's ever succeeded previously. "Hey, we've got a whole new version we want you to buy. What's new? Not the graphics because we know, if there's one thing you don't care about, it's graphics!"

I can't believe we're even having this discussion.

Well the difference here is you have big names in the works. FSX yeah had MS but layoffs, rip. MS Flight free to play lol.  This has the French peeps working with MS / Xbox. Let's give the French people a chance!!!

 

35 minutes ago, GSalden said:

Incredible how people overreact on a .....  hobby 😎

 

I don't know.  it's a loss of revenue for P3D and X-Plane. For them it's a business.