2 hours ago, mtaxp said:

No, there are other engines which can render the planet in procedural manner, surprise.

You just invented autogen. 😄

Yeah when MSFS has bad stuff in it, "it will improve".

Yet compare it to x-plane released ~5 years ago and assume nothing is gonna progress ever for our eternal lifes, so if msfs is gonna improve, obviously x-plane will be stuck in time for life.

And the funniest thing, "indisputable", if you don't have my opinion you suck, what a mentality.

 

3 minutes ago, tweekz said:

You just invented autogen. 😄

Always happy to enlighten:-)

Edited August 23, 20205 yr by mtaxp

7 hours ago, SceneryFX said:

I agree if you don't own a lot of third party scenery than some of the MSFS stuff looks ok, but i have 20 TB of scenery files and own almost every Orbx product + have complete states I made myself that look far better than much of this.

Wow. This is probably the best praise to Asobo accomplishments I've ever read.

28 minutes ago, tonywob said:

I immediately thought the opposite, and I'd personally pay for better representations of the areas I know and airports etc... As the now famous line says "The world is a big place"

I'm originally from Pakistan (if my profile picture didn't give it away) so I know all very well about how the lesser known regions of the world get represented. There are without a doubt a lot of issues in flying over Pakistan. The house that I grew up in got converted into a 2 story office building type structure. And that's far from the biggest or only issue.

The point that needs to considered is that I flew over Karachi, Pakistan 30 minutes after installing this new sim and was able to recognize the National Stadium, Aga Khan University Hospital, main thoroughfares, the roundabout near my house, a high rise apartment building in my neighbourhood with zero effort. That is amazing based on my past experience with civ flight sims.

Yes, there's a lot wrong with the scenery in Pakistan but the overall feel of the place is spot on. I look forward to any third parties or even Asobo for making this a better experience. I would especially love Northern Pakistan, with its second highest mountain in the world (K2) to be better represented. 

32 minutes ago, mtaxp said:

Yeah when MSFS has bad stuff in it, "it will improve".

Yet compare it to x-plane released ~5 years ago and assume nothing is gonna progress ever for our eternal lifes, so if msfs is gonna improve, obviously x-plane will be stuck in time for life.

And the funniest thing, "indisputable", if you don't have my opinion you suck, what a mentality.

I'm very interested in what XP12 will offer.

I guess it will be what people coming from FSX / P3D have been calling for all those years. But it will be too late. That's mainly the reason why I prefer Microsoft even if LR sure are the more passionate company about aviation. LR does not want to do those things intrinsically. They do it when they get forced to.

They didn't care for 3D airports, complex airliner... they didn't even have an airliner with proper integrated FMC until like 7 years ago.

XP basically was what Austin and his crew were interested in. It's like him working on the flight model and telling some other guys, "build something plausible around it!". With the influx of FSX / P3D refugees that changed a little. But did it really change LRs philosophy?

I doubt it. This attitude is why I prefer Microsoft, even if LR offers more realistic flight models (for now). I want the experience of flight as a whole. And to be honest, regarding flight dynamics all a sim can do is give you an idea of how it works. If you really want to know, you have to fly a real plane.

Edited August 23, 20205 yr by tweekz

keep it comin’

more pure gold!

33 minutes ago, Slides said:

Yes, there's a lot wrong with the scenery in Pakistan but the overall feel of the place is spot on.

The Middle East / Sub-Continent / Central Asia is so beautiful to fly around, particularly at dawn or dusk. Just this afternoon I took a jaunt from NW China to Kyrgyzstan. Now that’s a flight I never could have done before.

Bloody marvelous.

39 minutes ago, tweekz said:

I'm very interested in what XP12 will offer.

I guess it will be what people coming from FSX / P3D have been calling for all those years. But it will be too late. That's mainly the reason why I prefer Microsoft even if LR sure are the more passionate company about aviation. LR does not want to do those things intrinsically. They do it when they get forced to.

They didn't care for 3D airports, complex airliner... they didn't even have an airliner with proper integrated FMC until like 7 years ago.

XP basically was what Austin and his crew were interested in. It's like him working on the flight model and telling some other guys, "build something plausible around it!". With the influx of FSX / P3D refugees that changed a little. But did it really change LRs views?

This attitude is why I prefer Microsoft, even if LR offers more realistic flight models. I want the experience of flight as a whole. And to be honest, regarding flight dynamics all a sim can do is give you an idea of how it works. If you really want to know, you have to fly a real plane.

X-plane's catching up with msfs (graphics) is a much lower bar than what msfs need to catch up to (stable, fast rendering engine that has 2x load distance for 3d suitable for flight simulation and not gta v draw distance).

We'll see and wait. I dont know or care about 10-15 years ago statments, the fact is x-plane has The best 3d default airports while previously it did not have any, cant you call this a HUGE improvement?

I keep quoting this one, Ben supnik, the lead developer of the desktop version, said that graphical aspects to improve stale looking visuals are the next thing after they have a stable fast engine. "Lightning, clouds and weather, are the VERY nexy thing after vulkan", end quote. Foundations first, opengl engine was legacy you cant put modern stuff on it while expecting acceptable *real time simulation industry performance*.

Austin meyer, which you all said is not intersted in how his scenery looks said about current x-plane "fast performance and stale looking scenery", in an interview that msfs folks here even opened a dedicated topic to, hence, hired new scenery artisits which are working for some time BHS and we did not see anything from their work. of course almost non of the MSFS actually listened and all went msfs defend mode. Then whay open x-plane threads in msfs forum if you are not interested? Insecure about your choice investment again?

LR are OBVIOUSLY marketing a next x-plane with new weather and scenery, even if not official due to company priority for Vulkan, but soon im sure we'll have new stuff to see. Some clues can be found like this one about next x-plane lightning:

https://github.com/X-Plane/XPlane2Blender/issues/543

 

Edit: regarding flight dynamics, x-plane and msfs are pretty much the same IMO (GA only though, as this is what i fly in real life).

 Some better some worse. X-plane is much smoother performance wise though so this may hurt msfs if you want to compare.

Anyway, x-plane already have new "next generation flight model" which is in some kind of long beta testing already, some addons even support it. Guess msfs will soon need to catch up again regarding the flight model:-)

Edited August 23, 20205 yr by mtaxp

1 hour ago, craigeaglefire said:

I do not think Laminar (let’s call it the XPlane developer) is worried at all,

Absolutely. If anything I think Austin prefers the position of maverick challenger than market leader.

3rd party devs on the other hand may need to think about which sim they want to develop for if XP sales suffer too much. Although I’m sure Austin can please the faithful with XP12.

well,

that says it all,

I feel I’ve had a procedural ‘up my ortho’!

32 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

The Middle East / Sub-Continent / Central Asia is so beautiful to fly around, particularly at dawn or dusk. Just this afternoon I took a jaunt from NW China to Kyrgyzstan. Now that’s a flight I never could have done before.

Bloody marvelous.

It's really breathtaking. And none of us have to obsessed over Ortho this or that. It's just there (if you have an internet connection). 

Try flying out of Skardu (OPSD) in Northern Pakistan. Very close to K2. Mountainous terrain.

Edited August 23, 20205 yr by Slides

Prior to msfs what was the market share between the two?  60% lm and 40% xplane I remember hearing. But can’t find the article 

It is a great platform on which to build.

Don't think P3D has to worry for about 12 months.

Once those " battered " textured cockpits come out with decent aerodynamics and systems ( like working autopilots ! ) ..... that's when people will jump ship.

Too much is currently missing in MSFS.

1. Active Sky ... decent weather engine.

2. ASSC or REX .... variety in sky and cloud colours and textures.

3. Some, any ! decent ATC mod

4. Lots of local regional airports ... OBS !

 

Then I'll switch completely. Once I have the cash to buy it all, of course !

...Oh and a 3090 GPU !

Edited August 23, 20205 yr by Gabe777

4 minutes ago, Slides said:

It's really breathtaking. And none of us have to obsessed over Ortho this or that. It's just there (if you have an internet connection). 

Trying flying out of Skardu (OPSD) in Northern Pakistan. Very close to K2. Mountainous terrain.

Thanks, added to the list!