2 minutes ago, fppilot said:

If Microsoft will timely respond to the various model, weather, and ATC shortcomings and also timely partner with a legit avionics developer then most of this bantering would vanish and we would all just fly...

"Well maybe" as Bert said if you missed it

9 minutes ago, Dirk98 said:

It would not, simulation wise they were far far ahead right off the bat. It's like going ABC again, talking about eye-candy, visuals vs flight simulation proper.

I flew the Milviz B55 Baron four days ago from Cincinnati to Cleveland in IMC and never saw the scenery.  But I flew, flew reliably, and shot a great IFR approach.  Tried it later in the MFS addon M20 and failed. Flight plan issues, approach IAF missing in nav database, and default avionics unable to handle enroute changes, and reactive changes.  Flight time was squandered.
 Eye candy was not a factor.  Flying was.  Hope it improves soon, but until then.....

Edited September 26, 20205 yr by fppilot

2 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

Really? We are taking initial version with default aircraft !

Yes, imagine! Default aircraft with working avionics right off the bat. I don't know if it's your memory or your 2020 excitement or both are in the way of getting that...

6 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

It would be fare to compare default P3D and XP version as they got initially released before patches and improvements. Then we could see how  "serious" flight simmer would stack up there 🙂

P3D and XPlane are lot more mature, that is true.. and that is part of the real world that MSFS is entering..

For now, I see a very nice Entertainment Title that offers the Joy of Flight... great!   C152, sure!

But flying and navigating a GA aircraft requires accurate instrumentation and avionics, and MSFS has, for better or worse introduced a bunch of advanced aircraft that have all kinds of instrumentation that are buggy and incomplete (but could be fixed by MS/Asobo or 3rd parties..)  I sincerely hope they do!

As I said, a year from now.. Who knows.

You seem confident that they will.. I hope you are proven right!

4 minutes ago, Bert Pieke said:

As I said, a year from now.. Who knows.

You seem confident that they will.. I hope you are proven right!

This development team is not yet Stu Moment or Bruce Artwick of aviation first, beauty to follow philosophy. 

Please do not lose track of where this started in 1982, and where it was reborn in 1988 ~ 1991 after a legal struggle to release Flight Assignment: ATP.  subLogic,

Edited September 26, 20205 yr by fppilot

6 minutes ago, Bert Pieke said:

P3D and XPlane are lot more mature, that is true.. and that is part of the real world that MSFS is entering..

For now, I see a very nice Entertainment Title that offers the Joy of Flight... great!   C152, sure!

But flying and navigating a GA aircraft requires accurate instrumentation and avionics, and MSFS has, for better or worse introduced a bunch of advanced aircraft that have all kinds of instrumentation that are buggy and incomplete (but could be fixed by MS/Asobo or 3rd parties..)  I sincerely hope they do!

As I said, a year from now.. Who knows.

You seem confident that they will.. I hope you are proven right!

Well maybe. Not there yet in any sense though.

Who's against? Point me at him.

Edited September 26, 20205 yr by Dirk98

Flight simulation is all about numbers in the first place, guys. Visuals are another very immersive and therefore very significant aspect both in simulations and games. But that it is - immersive.

Edited September 26, 20205 yr by Dirk98

The more i read the more I remember when I installed FSX and the default 737 had half or wait , still has a non  functional FMS among other things. 
or that time when I first installed P3D what looks to be the  holly grail of sims for some now and started looking for the RW weather settings and ... 

Im learning that someone with a POSITIVE VIBE starts a thread and there comes the crew that wants you to AGREE with them that FS2020 is TRASH or you are wrong.... trys to destroy the main idea of the thread. 
 

 

6 minutes ago, Dirk98 said:

Flight simulation is all about numbers in the first place, guys.

Yes.  And to me that is about successfully completed flights and logged flight hours.

5 minutes ago, rtodepart said:

The more i read the more I remember when I installed FSX and the default 737 had half or wait , still has a non  functional FMS among other things. 

 It didn't even pretend it was functional.. However AP worked and add-ons were supported by a workable SDK.  

Edited September 26, 20205 yr by Dirk98

11 minutes ago, rtodepart said:

Im learning that someone with a POSITIVE VIBE starts a thread and there comes the crew that wants you to AGREE with them that FS2020 is TRASH or you are wrong.... trys to destroy the main idea of the thread. 

I don't agree with the main assumption of the thread, particularly in the "simmers" (vs say "players") part. So what? I speak out. It's not there yet. We'll see yet if Asobo doesn't follow suit of Aces. Who knows, it's up to Microsoft in the end of the day.

Edited September 26, 20205 yr by Dirk98

41 minutes ago, Bert Pieke said:

You are making a lot of bold statements.... Where you around when Microsoft shut down the Aces group and discontinued FSX, selling off the rights to LM and Dovetail?

Yes.

Were you around when Microsoft launched MS Flight with great fanfare, and then dropped it shortly thereafter?

Yes.

Have you ever dealt with the Microsoft support staff on any issue?

Yes. I develop in Visual Studio and SQL Server and was a Gold Partner. 

If I were P3D or XPlane, sure I would have a look.. but not necessarily change a thing.

 

4 minutes ago, Dirk98 said:

I don't agree with the main assumption of the thread, particularly in the "simmers" (vs say "players") part. So what? I speak out. It's not there yet. We'll see yet if Asobo doesn't follow suit of Aces. Who knows, it's up to Microsoft in the end of the day.

I rather wait till that time comes that many seem to pray for when asobo may show signs of cutting the rope to assume they will . Till that time that i hope it never comes I wont stop enjoying what we have now . The same we had in the first few days of all the sims we have available now . 

44 minutes ago, Bert Pieke said:

P3D and XPlane are lot more mature, that is true.. and that is part of the real world that MSFS is entering..

For now, I see a very nice Entertainment Title that offers the Joy of Flight... great!   C152, sure!

But flying and navigating a GA aircraft requires accurate instrumentation and avionics, and MSFS has, for better or worse introduced a bunch of advanced aircraft that have all kinds of instrumentation that are buggy and incomplete (but could be fixed by MS/Asobo or 3rd parties..)  I sincerely hope they do!

As I said, a year from now.. Who knows.

You seem confident that they will.. I hope you are proven right!

You mention 152. It pretty accurate . What is a problem for hardcore simmer?

Edited September 26, 20205 yr by sd_flyer

10 minutes ago, Dirk98 said:

"simmers" (vs say "players")

Mate, you are sitting at your desk staring at a computer monitor pretending to be an airline pilot.

Yes, take it seriously, but please don't get so caught up in your own idea that you think your above anyone else.