6 minutes ago, Maxis said:

Simple as that. Ignore me if you want.

What's the sound of a new user going into the kill file?

This:

*click*

Edited October 27, 20205 yr by kaosfere

2 minutes ago, Scottoest said:

I just think you're completely uninformed on how software development works, and casually disrespectful of the people who do it for a living.

He clearly is, but he's already invited us to ignore him.   Not that we needed permission, but if he's encouraging it there's no reason not to indulge.  😄

 

 

Let's not forget that we cannot have it both ways. It's actually risky for a developer to announce a set date for an update, given that stuff happes and it's difficult to predict exactly when something will be bug free. Asobo prefers to have markers so that everyone has a sense of the "next" update. This, however, should be a source of criticism on our part if they delay it.

1 minute ago, Scottoest said:

I don't take offense - I just think you're completely uninformed on how software development works, and casually disrespectful of the people who do it for a living.

Delaying a software update because you discovered a bug during quality assurance is the opposite of "amateur".

You sir dont know my background so please please please do not make such assumptions.

 

In any case. QA should have been completed a few days before release. And if Asobo is playing the transparency game then this delay should not be announced on the day the item is due. Its simply not on.

The delay isnt the issue. Coming out with that news instead of the patch on the due date is the problem. How last minute is your QA process to find a problem hours before the item is due?

 

5 minutes ago, kaosfere said:

What's the sound of a new user going into the kill file?

This:

*click*

Yep same to you buddy

48 minutes ago, Maxis said:

Amateur hour at Asobo ... Sorry lots of people are going to take offence at my comments but at the moment they have yet to prove me otherwise no matter how pretty the sim is.

And you are?

 

1 minute ago, ErichB said:

And you are?

 

Not someone you need to be concerned about atm. Just like im reading your comment and moving along.

So they delayed the patch in order to avoid the storm of complains, people are complaining why it is delayed. If Asobo pushed a buggy update, people will still complain anyways! Let me echo what I have said before, people are so dramatic these days and I think, really think, the sim community is broken in many ways! 

Just now, omarsmak30 said:

So they delayed the patch in order to avoid the storm of complains, people are complaining why it is delayed. If Asobo pushed a buggy update, people will still complain anyways! Let me echo what I have said before, people are so dramatic these days and I think, really think, the sim community is broken in many ways! 

Let there be no doubt that in the great sea of unwashed there will always be those that will out their (unrelated) anger issues on Asobo, no matter what they do.

Well done ASOBO, thank you for the message and take the time you need.

17 minutes ago, flyforever said:

Let's not forget that we cannot have it both ways. It's actually risky for a developer to announce a set date for an update, given that stuff happes and it's difficult to predict exactly when something will be bug free. Asobo prefers to have markers so that everyone has a sense of the "next" update. This, however, should be a source of criticism on our part if they delay it.

It's a much better decision to delay the update until fixes are found for the issues. However, if you are going to announce a specific release date, you'd better be sure you can hit it.

Perhaps it would be of more use for Asobo to say that an update is due, say, 'late October', rather than giving a specific date. That would allow a window for unexpected problems arising and give less opportunity for some of us to mouth off.

Then again, it seems Asobo isn't the only developer to announce a delay to a release today...
https://www.techradar.com/news/cyberpunk-2077-has-been-delayed-again

 

Edited October 27, 20205 yr by F737NG

14 minutes ago, ErichB said:

And you are?

They're no one who matters.   Internet talk is cheap, and if every self-styled "expert" at anything with "decades" of experience actually was one there would be no one getting coffee and cleaning the halls.

The simple facts are these:

• Asobo have a testing program that caught a bug before release
• They therefore postponed the release with a clear explanation why

This is what I would expect of any competent developer.  Show-stoppers happen.  They happen to anyone who's worked long enough on a big enough project, and anyone who says otherwise is lying. Their presence does not make one unprofessional.  Catching it is the mark of a professional.  And that is what they have done.

Now, if they're truly professional they'll post-mortem this to figure out how an apparently show-stopper bug almost made it out the door and improve their processes for next time.  Because that's what professionals do.

Or they can act like the large number of mediocre mid-level IT managers I've known in my career and make themselves feel big by ranting about how problems are unacceptable and that it even happened is an unforgivable amateur mistake.  The (thankfully small) handful of times I've had the misfortune of working under a cretin like that, I've moved on to a better job.

Because that's what talented professionals can do.

Edited October 27, 20205 yr by kaosfere

<sigh> seems like we cannot talk about updates and patches today without getting persnickety (I like that word).

Let's move along - nothing more to see here

 

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