Or rather how its not showing up correctly in MSFS 2020.

I live in Ft Lauderdale and pretty much its been raining and very gusty all day. I just did a flight from KFLL to MKJS and there was not a drop of rain water to be found!. Cloud cover was overcast as expected and i didn't break out of the soup till FL390 which i think is pretty decent but id like to know Where is the rain action. It appeared sufficiently tropical storm level windy ( i didnt inspect the metars or FLL atis) However i definitely know it was raining. We also know about the excessive lightning so its not even worth going into detail there. I also noticed that going through the clouds in the climb phase the aircraft turned into a certified Popsicle. Hmm i live in the tropics and its pretty warm here so i wasnt expecting temperate/arctic icing levels.

I don't know where in the chain Asobo has got it wrong.

Is Meteoblue giving incorrect weather data ?

Is Asobo translating the Meteoblue  data correctly ?

Is the sim rendering the translated data correctly ?

I am no weather expert but if its been raining all word not allowed day you would expect to see it. But nope not a drop but there's a whole lot of thunder and lightning though..

Also it appears that limited visibility doesn't seem to be a thing in this sim (at least when Real weather is enabled).

Just my observations

I hope Asobo is planning to work these things out.

Cheers

 

Edited November 9, 20205 yr by Maxis

9 minutes ago, Maxis said:

Or rather how its not showing up correctly in MSFS 2020.

I live in Ft Lauderdale and pretty much its been raining and very gusty all day. I just did a flight from KFLL to MKJS and there was not a drop of rain water to be found!. Cloud cover was overcast as expected and i didn't break out of the soup till FL390 which i think is pretty decent but id like to know Where is the rain action. It appeared sufficiently tropical storm level windy ( i didnt inspect the metars or FLL atis) However i definitely know it was raining. We also know about the excessive lightning so its not even worth going into detail there. I also noticed that going through the clouds in the climb phase the aircraft turned into a certified Popsicle. Hmm i live in the tropics and its pretty warm here so i wasnt expecting temperate/arctic icing levels.

I don't know where in the chain Asobo has got it wrong.

Is Meteoblue giving incorrect weather data ?

Is Asobo translating the Meteoblue  data correctly ?

Is the sim rendering the translated data correctly ?

I am no weather expert but if its been raining all word not allowed day you would expect to see it. But nope not a drop but there's a whole lot of thunder and lightning though..

Also it appears that limited visibility doesn't seem to be a thing in this sim (at least when Real weather is enabled).

Just my observations

I hope Asobo is planning to work these things out.

Cheers

 

J. None of the above!  
I am using REX Weather Force.  Not perfect, but at least representative.

Suggestion: Totally ignore MSFS ATIS/AWOS recording playbacks. REX WF will inject representative wx, but other than representative pressure/altimeter,  MSFS ATIS/AWOS is from the planet Mars.   Suggest you glance at my message footer.

Edited November 9, 20205 yr by fppilot

2 minutes ago, fppilot said:

J. None of the above!  
I am using REX Weather Force.  Not perfect, but at least representative.

Suggestion: Totally ignore MSFS ATIS/AWOS recording playbacks.  And suggest you glance at my message footer.

Not doing Rex till they have a proper weather transition and smoothing system. Willing to have Asobo get a few bites of the apple before i throw the towel at them.

Edited November 9, 20205 yr by Maxis

4 minutes ago, Maxis said:

Not doing Rex till they have a proper weather transition and smoothing system. Willing to have Asobo get a few bites of the apple before i throw the towel at them.

Then please do not complain about the outcome you experience.  Much better is much better, but not perfect.  In previous sims and wx engines I have yet to experience perfect.  Representative, yes.  Perfect? No.  REX in MSFS is representative.  Pressure and winds aloft based on real world depictions from FltPlan.com and their FltPlan Go IOS app.

Edited November 9, 20205 yr by fppilot

Just now, fppilot said:

Then please do not complain about the outcome you experience.  Much better is much better, but not perfect.  In previous sims and wx engines I have yet to experience perfect.  Representative, yes.  Perfect? No.

Wow wow wow.. I can complain all i want sir. REX may be better  while im over a local Metar but all i wanted to do was highlight observations that i had in obvious tropical storm conditions using this sim and its weather engine. Why would i run to REX with its own problems? Dont complain ?? the fact that there is an issue to be addressed and discussed for the default real weather does not mean i must run off to go buy some third party solution rather than bring up the default issues and hope that they work on them.

Rude..

I just wish the MSFS ATC would assign the runways to match the weather.   

I have used both Unreal weather mod and the Rex Weather Force, both times atc has tried to land me with the wind, not into it.    I know I can forgo atc or go VATSIM.  Just saying.....

I have been in Live Weather scenarios with heavy rain in the northeast. Not presently - the weather up here has been almost summer-like for several days, but I have seen it.

The Live Weather is not based on actual real-time observations. It may use METARS for surface winds, but that would be the only current observation in the mix. Nor does it use real time nexrad radar. The weather is based on a forecast model of what the weather is likely to be - similar to the models your local weather service office uses to generate forecasts for your local town.

Obviously the model correctly foresaw the heavy clouds and winds associated with Eta over southern Florida, but it may have not seen a specific rain band over a specific airport at a specific time. Once you are in flight and in heavy cloud, it is unlikely that your would see rain - especially in a jet aircraft.

The excessive lightning in Live Weather is a bug, which I believe is supposed to be fixed in the upcoming patch releasing Tuesday, but if it was going to occur anywhere, a tropical storm would be a likely place to see it.

Severe icing is definitely possible at high altitude in the tropics. In fact it is far more likely to occur there than over the arctic because of the very high moisture levels aloft. That was what brought down Air France 447 in 2009 - (and they were just north of the equator). Right now over KFLL, the temperature at 20,000 feet is -10C. At 36,000 feet it is -46C and at 39,000 feet it is -54C.

Edited November 9, 20205 yr by JRBarrett

5 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

I have been in Live Weather scenarios with heavy rain in the northeast. Not presently - the weather up here has been almost summer-like for several days, but I have seen it.

The Live Weather is not based on actual real-time observations. It may use METARS for surface winds, but that would be the only current observation in the mix. Nor does it use real time nexrad radar. The weather is based on a forecast model of what the weather is likely to be - similar to the models your local weather service office uses to generate forecasts for your local town.

Obviously the model correctly foresaw the heavy clouds and winds associated with Eta over southern Florida, but it may have not seen a specific rain band over a specific airport at a specific time. Once you are in flight and in heavy cloud, it is unlikely that your would see rain - especially in a jet aircraft.

The excessive lightning in Live Weather is a bug, which I believe is supposed to be fixed in the upcoming patch releasing Tuesday, but if it was going to occur anywhere, a tropical storm would be a likely place to see it.

Severe icing is definitely possible at high altitude in the tropics. In fact it is far more likely to occur there than over the arctic because of the very high moisture levels aloft. That was what brought down Air France 447 in 2009 - (and they were just north of the equator). Right now over KFLL, the temperature at 20,000 feet is -10C. At 36,000 feet it is -46C and at 39,000 feet it is -54C.

Cool. Thanks for the insight on the Icing I appreciate it. Learn something new everyday.

If it uses the Metars for the surface winds then why cant they pull the rest of the data?. Would be nice if they had the MeteoBlue as the "smoothing blanket data" while in the air then have the more focused and accurate Metar as you "enter/leave" that local airspace

I spawned a few minutes ago on the threshold of KFLL runway 10L and it was raining heavily. It stopped for a few minutes, and then started again (but lighter) - consistent with rapidly moving rain bands. Now... it is coming down like cats & dogs again.

It would be nice if they took temperatures and pressure from the METAR too, but I can see no practical way they could use METARS for clouds or precipitation, that would not be easily blendable with the large scale atmospheric model.

 

I find the rain is very localised and stops and starts regularly. There doesn't seem to be a wide band of rain in the sim. Low vis also doesn't appear to be modelled other than when the clouds are at ground level.

Personally I have avoided the Rex weather addon. I like the smooth transitions in default weather and the accuracy outside of airports. 

I am sure Asobo will continue to improve it going forward.

by my  rex wf  dropped  fps from 38 to 7  for 3-4 minutes until metar injections ...

I really don't guess how REX is doing it, but if it's based only on METAR data then it's going to be rather crude, at least around here ( Europe ) where MSA is usually rather "low".

If, for instance, you have an OVC above FL050 above LPPT, it's not going to be reported most of the time, unless other phenomena are present...

Does REX still allow for weather "blending" / "merge" between their METAR feed and the model data that MFS gets from Meteoblue ?

OTOH, I am really missing being able to read, in the weather menu, Pressure, Temp, Dew Point, Wind... without having to open the layers that prtly reveal some of these variables... Pressure and Td for instance are never displayed, being it Real World or a Preset.

Edited November 9, 20205 yr by jcomm
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10 hours ago, Maxis said:

Not doing Rex till they have a proper weather transition and smoothing system. Willing to have Asobo get a few bites of the apple before i throw the towel at them.

I detest that I have felt the need to supplement or replace the default weather generation in this new sim, especially after seeing that touted as one of the great features in teasers held out months before release.  I am 100% with all the complaints about that.  I got spoiled as did most others in previous sims by FSGRW, AS16, and textures from REX.  Fed up, I plunked down the $20.00 American for WF. 

I have only seen one highly noticeable weather transition.  And it was in a flight where it appeared WF did not perform well in other respects. Following that I did a drop step and opened and read the WF documentation.  I discovered that I was starting the weather syntheses in WF too early.  Treating it like AS16 and FSGRW.  Since then I have followed the instruction and started synthesis only after reaching the "Fly Now" state in MFS.  Since then I have had representative weather and no sudden transitions.  I have also not had any perceptible pauses or interruptions during my flights.  I have a fast system and 100 mbps connection.  Yesterday, for the first time, I saw a notification from the sim of a short interruption in my connection.  I later read here on Avsim that other users experienced sim interruptions as well for a period yesterday.

The issues that remain for me are with the incredibly wrong ATIS/AWOS reports in the sim. And as mentioned by others in this topic, no way in the sim to see indications of just what key weather variables are. About the only variable that is representative of actual conditions as mentioned in ATIS is pressure, and that is coming from WF.  I am however getting winds aloft indicators in the G1000 aircraft from WF that are representative of what I see at Windy.com and on the moving map in the Fltplan Go app on my iPad. And I get TAT/OAT.  But that is about it.  I should from time to time toggle back and forth between WF and the sim as WF does have a display board with many of those values.  I just have not gotten into the habit of toggling to check.  I prefer continuous flight over toggling back and forth to any other applications.

I use REX when doing a flight where having accurate weather really matters (typically IFR longer distance flights).  I use default weather when accurate weather doesn’t matter as much.  I prefer the depiction/transitions in default weather over REX, but REX seems to be the only way to get accurate weather at airports right now.

Neither is perfect at this point unfortunately.

15 hours ago, Maxis said:

 

I hope Asobo is planning to work these things out.

 

 

Use Zendesk and ask them.