I play on a 120" screen with a projector, so I often forget that MSFS is much sharper looking for most of you guys, as I'm blowing the thing up to gargantuan proportions. It still looks good, but I do notice some things on the projector that aren't as noticeable on a monitor. It makes the PR scenery stick out a bit more, especially the mountains where sometimes they look fine on a regular monitor.
 

Edited November 27, 20205 yr by SceneryFX

Thank you Virtuali for taking time to explain all that. 

I am hoping to jump back into building freeware sometime after I retire (Hopefully soon)..

Edited November 27, 20205 yr by Manny
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46 minutes ago, sanh said:

First of all some comments here said they don't understand the "hate" here. I dont see any. People are writing their comparisons for the sim and that's fair enough. No one is name calling or saying a sim is ####. Criticisms or comparisons are not hate.

Calling P3D "dead" or "an old FSX port".
Listing a point-by-point attack on how P3D fails to deliver "out of the box".
Trying to diminish every aspect of P3D, especially when not having used the very latest version, is what I consider hate.

P3D has limitations that being an incremental progress platform, rather than clean slate development, brings. It's definitely a sim to bolt on external add-ons (payware or freeware) to make it good. And that is exactly why Mathijs' comments regarding P3D are premature. For all the many wonderful achievements of MSFS, right now it fails to deliver a flight sim experience that a number of us want. Because of that a lot of us P3D simmers have returned to P3D and are looking to expand our purchases once again.

If Aerosoft's EBBR gets released for P3D, I think Mathijs might be surprised by the uptake.
Then again, Aerosoft are so fully committed to MSFS that marginalising the sim's competition is a good strategy for them.

Any business has the right to do what they think will help them survive, but they should also choose their words wisely, as people will fry you in the fryer for a poor choice of words. It wasn't the underlying message so much as the way it was delivered, he should have thanked everyone for their years of purchases and used words like "regretfully" P3D is a tough market, but we will re-evaluate at a later time.

Anyhow, it's all chickens one day and feathers the next, and fussing like an old hen won't change it.

 

2 minutes ago, SceneryFX said:

Any business has the right to do what they think will help them survive, but they should also choose their words wisely, as people will fry you in the fryer for a poor choice of words. It wasn't the underlying message so much as the way it was delivered, he should have thanked everyone for their years of purchases and used words like "regretfully" P3D is a tough market, but we will re-evaluate at a later time.

Anyhow, it's all chickens one day and feathers the next, and fussing like an old hen won't change it.

 

I agree, but some are blindly misinforming, knocking the facts in order to achieve this strategy is wrong. As I see it now, there are millions of amazing airports being made with nothing or little need to fly into them, because the airliners are so badly broken
Example, I want to so badly buy the international airports or bigger airports, but what's the point? if I have to limp my A320, 747 etc over the threshold in a totally un realistic way, again I am not talking study level, but I am not wasting my time flying for hours only to have it mess up because the sim is a mess, yes there is work arounds but I am not paying £120 + another approx. £300 on addons to make do! So imho ASOBO are hurting devs, by not addressing the core issues which is the flight model and the SDK and even dev updates Moony as an example and because of this I am not buying another add-on through the market place ever.. Carendo submitted the update weeks ago for the moony, the PA44 now has issues, the EZ-Long has been updated but not on the store, only if you have OrbX! Fine some or all dev's can pump out amazing $9-$24 sceneries/planes all day, if they make money great, but that gravy train wont last, the quality will suffer and if someone ever does push out a $100 add-on that actually works there will be uproar. Once all the serious simmers leave, then hardly anything but GTA V style missions will sell. 

This is my opinion, I just wish ASOBO would address it, I dont beleive they are doing a good service to simmers and devs alike, and I wish people would stop defending the faults, we all want this to be our go to sim, but defending the mostly shoddy approach ASOBO has taken will not change it! We dont have to be nasty, but we need to be clear, it needs sorting out. It can be both a casual & a serious sim, but ASOBO need to commit to it, and mainly communicate and if needs be hire people that know what they are doing, if they dont which is becoming clear from the last update.
 

This sums up quite nicely that MSFS is a superb scenery simulator, no argument from anyone on that. Great for screenshots, etc.... As for the whole "flight" portion of the simulator, not even close to P3D. And that garbage can CRJ that Asobo gushed over in a not so subtle dig at PMDG/FSL will not change that opinion for many that can look at things without emotions getting involved.  

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Every single thing that is wrong with MSFS can be fixed with time. The things that distinguish MSFS from P3D and XP are massive. Does anyone think either LM or LR can just easily pull a complete world modeled to the level MSFS has now out of their you know what? I hope they eventually do, because that would be awesome for the community, but short of that I will never spend another penny with either. The day MSFS dropped those videos I knew that loud sucking sound was future dollars being pulled away from P3D and XP. I even said that here.

MSFS blew up the industry for consumer flight sims. P3D and XP can be niche products for non-consumers. 

Edited November 27, 20205 yr by RobJC

2 hours ago, SceneryFX said:

I play on a 120" screen 

Wow thats amazing. I remember when I went from 17inch monitor to 32inch. The immersion difference was stunning and you can notice so much more detail. However, and I agree with what you wrote, the imperfections are more noticeable too. The grainy clouds annoy me sometimes when they look really pronounced.

38 minutes ago, RobJC said:

Every single thing that is wrong with MSFS can be fixed with time. The things that distinguish MSFS from P3D and XP are massive. Does anyone think either LM or LR can just easily pull a complete world modeled to the level MSFS has now out of their you know what? I hope they eventually do, because that would be awesome for the community, but short of that I will never spend another penny with either. The day MSFS dropped those videos I knew that loud sucking sound was future dollars being pulled away from P3D and XP. I even said that here.

MSFS blew up the industry for consumer flight sims. P3D and XP can be niche products for non-consumers. 

Do i think they will, probably not, but can it be done, yes (maybe in smaller area), but yes for certain. I had recreated 2 entire states in Xplane at a higher fidelity than MSFS (and better color), the problem is the file sizes, which is why I never released it. I did this with free imagery from the states (nothing to do with NAIP), I had imagery down to 6cm at some airports. I am only one single person, so yes it can be done.

Can they get it compressed as well as Microsoft did at the same fidelity, not for the entire WORLD, no, the coverage will have to be high-res only in a smaller area (but that is fine with me). It would still be missing Photogrammetry, but i think there is another way, but I won't go into it right now.

 

Edited November 27, 20205 yr by SceneryFX

X-Plane will be there to stay. It will not have the user numbers of MSFS, but it will not have the user numbers of Counterstrike or Fortnite, either. Does that mean that it needs cooler powerups and more weapons and a more colourful map? 😉

I am thankful that the team at Laminar pursues their goal of making a realistic flight simulator - instead of just making as many sales as possible.

X-Plane 12 will not surpass MSFS in realism of terrain and weather depiction. It will close the gap, but not surpass it. They won´t have streaming satellite scenery. No photogrammetry. Not your house. If those things are paramount for you, MSFS is your future.

Keep in mind that other people value other things - if there was X-Plane with MSFS graphics - I would fly that. If there is just MSFS OR X-Plane...it is X-Plane. A lot of people feel that way, so X-Plane will stay.

I personally do not believe that Asobo has the expertise on hand to surpass X-Plane in realism of simulating flight. It may close the gap, but not surpass it. And they are not likely to enhance their team to get and implement that expertise, just as X-Plane won´t team up with Google.

The way user numbers are going I would not be surprised for Microsoft to loose interest in a few months.They are in it for the money - not for passion, like Laminar is.

Cheers, Jan

Edited November 27, 20205 yr by Janov

Austin Myers has a degree in aerospace engineering, flies in planes regularly, and has dedicated his entire life to getting the physics down. It's a difficult thing to do, and even Xplane isn't perfect. Asobo has some guys that were probably "above average" in general physics in school, but are trying to recreate this stuff from textbook equations. It doesn't make sense when you think about it.

The solution is there are plenty of people in the community that can help them address the issues, but it's their choice if they choose to reach out or keep trying to fix it all internally. There can also be big legal issues for large companies when contracting to single individuals, but I don't know all the issues that exist there, I just know there are some hurdles. Some large companies avoid contracting like the plague due to legal problems in the past with it.

 

 

Edited November 27, 20205 yr by SceneryFX

I don`t see FS2020 becoming any better. With each update it gradually becomes worse and users becoming concerned about this a lot. Now you can`t see the bright future for FS2020.

Edited November 27, 20205 yr by OSM

19 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

Seems like P3D users stopped purchasing add ons in early 2020.

I can only speak to my own, but I definately are among these users. And yes I stopped purchasing in early 2020.

Who knows what will happen in the future, its anyone's guess.

3 minutes ago, SceneryFX said:

Who knows what will happen in the future, its anyone's guess.

Sometimes this is pretty easy to predict. 😄