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WT CJ4 0.10.0 - Missed Approaches, Fixed ILS, and more

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I had this problem:

strange problem on approach : everything in the green loc and gs captured both green upon capture of gs plane did not descend

ils 27 eddr

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16 hours ago, cwburnett said:

There is no way to use a flight plan without programming the FMC. However, you can import the flight plan from the world map. IDX -> ROUTE MENU then choose FPLN RECALL (GAME)

Apologies, can't find this.

Are you referring to the MSFS World "Globe" in Scenario Setup, where you can click on & choose Departure & Arrival airports, or some other World Map??

T45

14 minutes ago, Treetops45 said:

Apologies, can't find this.

Are you referring to the MSFS World "Globe" in Scenario Setup, where you can click on & choose Departure & Arrival airports, or some other World Map??

T45

You can create a flight plan using Simbrief then at the CDU select IDX, NEXT, ROUTE MENU, FPLN RECALL (SB)

or create a plan using the FS2020 world planner then select FPLN RECALL (GAME)

For Simbrief you need to enter your Simbrief ID at IDX, NEXT, MOD SET, LSK2L Simbrief Pilot ID.

More details can be found in the manual.

John

8 hours ago, Ricardo41 said:

I had this problem:

strange problem on approach : everything in the green loc and gs captured both green upon capture of gs plane did not descend

ils 27 eddr

I had the same issue on approach into Arcata (KACV). However, it worked fine on another ILS. Not sure what the bug is...

I use the MSFS ATC. Is the SimBrief plan import more aimed at those that fly using online VatSim type ATC? Is there a way to make SimBrief plans loadable into MSFS for IFR ATC? I would like to use the SimBrief plan, and wonder how it is easiest to make MSFS ATC recognize it? Great work on this aircraft! Thanks.

One thing I’m noticing with this plane, and the newest update hasn’t seemed to correct it, is that if there are multiple stepdowns at the end of the approach (i.e., near the airport), the AP gets confused and may not observe the VNAV descent profile.

An example of this is runway 11 at KSBP (San Luis Obispo, CA).
I attempted to do the RNAV approach (which is selectable in the FMS) however, near the FAF, I had to discontinue the autopilot and hand fly the approach (without vertical guidance).

Subsequently, I tried the flight and just picked RWY 11 (with the 5 NM fix).
The VNAV flew it flawlessly all the way to the runway threshold. 
 

From what I’ve been able to discern, the plane will fly a STAR and meet all the necessary stepdowns but as it gets closer to the runway, fewer vertical restrictions are better.

Confirmed the behavior with the TBM WT G3000 as well. It is not only the CJ4 that has the issue.

SAR Pilot. Flight Sim'ing since the beginning.

I have never been a jet guy in sims...always GA props, but this airplane is the most study level and realistic in the sim right now. It has been fun to learn, and will take alot more to master. Pretty much all I fly now. 

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12 hours ago, Flyfaster_MTN002 said:

Confirmed the behavior with the TBM WT G3000 as well. It is not only the CJ4 that has the issue.

I'm confused. What behavior are we talking about here?

The WT G3000 is all stock AP, flight plan system, VNAV, etc. We haven't yet ported any navigational features from the CJ4 to the Garmin units.

-Matt

3 hours ago, MattNischan said:

I'm confused. What behavior are we talking about here?

The WT G3000 is all stock AP, flight plan system, VNAV, etc. We haven't yet ported any navigational features from the CJ4 to the Garmin units.

-Matt

Hi Matt - the issue a few of us seem to be experiencing is the AP failing to begin its descent in APP mode at/after the IAF. Have seen it with both the WT CJ4 and WT G3000 in the TBM and was using the KMMH RNAV for testing. Maybe it is the MSFS data? Or user error and need to stay in VNAV to the FAF then activate APP? However above it seems others are seeing it elsewhere?

SAR Pilot. Flight Sim'ing since the beginning.

11 hours ago, MattNischan said:

I'm confused. What behavior are we talking about here?

The WT G3000 is all stock AP, flight plan system, VNAV, etc. We haven't yet ported any navigational features from the CJ4 to the Garmin units.

-Matt

Ok update: tried it again using VNAV from the IAF and switching to APP mode at the FAF. Worked perfectly following the GP with magenta indicators. So basically it won't allow APP mode to follow the GP down until FAF it seems? Correct?

SAR Pilot. Flight Sim'ing since the beginning.

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1 hour ago, Flyfaster_MTN002 said:

So basically it won't allow APP mode to follow the GP down until FAF it seems? Correct?

The GP mode on the PL21 doesn't follow restrictions or the VNAV path. It only follows the approach glidepath, which is a fixed angle up from the runway. So, you won't see any vertical guidance in GP until you intercept the glidepath.

Right now there's a bug where the GS/GP arm slot on the FMA isn't lighting up (which is probably why it seemed odd that nothing was happening, fixed in the next version), but in this case you would use VNAV to get down through the calculated VNAV descent path and you would set your preselector to the FAF height. It's a bit of debate amongst CJ drivers when the best time to arm APPR is, but technically it can be anywhere on the approach segment.

Once APPR LNV is active and GP is armed, it will continue to fly your currently active vertical mode until you capture the glidepath, and then it will switch to GP active.

-Matt

1 hour ago, MattNischan said:

The GP mode on the PL21 doesn't follow restrictions or the VNAV path. It only follows the approach glidepath, which is a fixed angle up from the runway. So, you won't see any vertical guidance in GP until you intercept the glidepath.

Right now there's a bug where the GS/GP arm slot on the FMA isn't lighting up (which is probably why it seemed odd that nothing was happening, fixed in the next version), but in this case you would use VNAV to get down through the calculated VNAV descent path and you would set your preselector to the FAF height. It's a bit of debate amongst CJ drivers when the best time to arm APPR is, but technically it can be anywhere on the approach segment.

Once APPR LNV is active and GP is armed, it will continue to fly your currently active vertical mode until you capture the glidepath, and then it will switch to GP active.

-Matt

Which mirrors what have been seeing, and now this makes sense. Will do VNAV from IAF (or wherever prior to intercept) and then APPR just before the FAF. Thanks and keep up the amazing additions.

SAR Pilot. Flight Sim'ing since the beginning.

1 hour ago, Flyfaster_MTN002 said:

Which mirrors what have been seeing, and now this makes sense. Will do VNAV from IAF (or wherever prior to intercept) and then APPR just before the FAF. Thanks and keep up the amazing additions.

For what it's worth, if I'm flying to an airport without an existing approach, and I select the runway with the 5 NM fix option, VNAV (by itself) works flawlessly every time, all the way down to the threshold.

rnav approach rw 26 ekyt with the G3X in the TBM: no problems. Same approach with the CJ4 mod: upon activating approach, plane failed to arm gp, gp didn't become active. 

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