What is Driving the GPU Market??

[W2DR 1,860]

That'll probably just cause the miners to buy more cards which will make the situation even worse.

Edited February 19, 2021 by W2DR
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[Ray Proudfoot 8,955]

13 minutes ago, martin-w said:

Last 2080 Ti I saw was almost as expensive as a 3080. 

Nvidia are reducing the performance of their latest cards by 50% when used to mine Etherium. Lets hope that helps.

I guess its a bit like the tax on mining I suggested earlier, a performance tax.

How depressing. Those buying cards not used for games are a curse. 😢

[stans 703]

Prices on the 1xxx and 2xxx series cards are ridiculous.  For the same amount of money, you can buy a 3xxx series card, if you can find one.  I do not see the situation getting any better.  As cryptocurrencies continue to increase in value and popularity, look for even more demand on computer builders and component manufacturers.

[martin-w 3,235]

1 hour ago, stans said:

Prices on the 1xxx and 2xxx series cards are ridiculous.  For the same amount of money, you can buy a 3xxx series card, if you can find one.  I do not see the situation getting any better.  As cryptocurrencies continue to increase in value and popularity, look for even more demand on computer builders and component manufacturers.

 

As I mentioned, Nvidia are dumbing down the performance by 50% when used to mine Ethereum. Ethereum is the main currency mined so it will help. So gaming will be unaffected, just mining. They said they will also release a mining specific processor. 

Hopefully it will help.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56114508

 

 

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Graphics card-maker Nvidia says it will deliberately reduce the efficiency of its latest card by 50% when it is used to mine the crypto-currency Ethereum.

Crypto-currency enthusiasts have contributed to a shortage of graphics cards by snapping up supplies to use for non-gaming purposes.

Nvidia said it had intervened to make sure its products "end up in the hands of gamers".

But it will also sell a bespoke crypto-currency mining processor.

 

 

Edited February 19, 2021 by martin-w

[Dominique_K 10,149]

On 2/19/2021 at 1:43 PM, martin-w said:

Last 2080 Ti I saw was almost as expensive as a 3080. 

Nvidia are reducing the performance of their latest cards by 50% when used to mine Etherium. Lets hope that helps.

I guess its a bi

This is only for the 3060, not the « latest cards », and not built in the hardware but in the driver (thus open to 3rd party tweaks). And  only for one kind of mining. 

https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2021/02/18/geforce-cmp/

if it goes on like that, it is going to kill the higher-end  gaming desktop, specially the home-made segment. At that time, I do not see when I will be able to build a new one with the CPU which will be out mid-year.  
 

 

[martin-w 3,235]

On 3/1/2021 at 8:26 AM, Dominique_K said:

This is only for the 3060, not the « latest cards », and not built in the hardware but in the driver (thus open to 3rd party tweaks). And  only for one kind of mining. 

https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2021/02/18/geforce-cmp/

if it goes on like that, it is going to kill the higher-end  gaming desktop, specially the home-made segment. At that time, I do not see when I will be able to build a new one with the CPU which will be out mid-year. 

3060 yes, and its not just the driver. Its the BIOS. Nvidia have said its not just the driver. I posted about it before. 

It is one kind of mining, Etherium, which Nvidia say has the biggest yield and puts the most strain on supply.  

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-anti-mining-algoritm-is-not-just-a-driver-thing-technology-could-expand-to-more-skus

 There is a secure handshake between the driver, the RTX 3060 silicon, and the BIOS (firmware) that prevents removal of the hash rate limiter.

[Dominique_K 10,149]

21 hours ago, martin-w said:

its not just the driver. Its the BIOS.

Do you have a Nvidia direct source not a quote from a 3rd party site ?

I find the "There is a secure handshake between the driver, the RTX 3060 silicon, and the BIOS (firmware) that prevents removal of the hash rate limiter." rather vague...

[martin-w 3,235]

20 hours ago, Dominique_K said:

Do you have a Nvidia direct source not a quote from a 3rd party site ?

I find the "There is a secure handshake between the driver, the RTX 3060 silicon, and the BIOS (firmware) that prevents removal of the hash rate limiter." rather vague...

That quote is from Twitter, a direct source, from Brian Del Rizzo. Nvidia global PR director.  I'm sure if you are inclined, you can nip along to Twitter and access the Tweet directly. I don't believe there's any more detail on the Nvidia site. As Is ay, this is Brian Del Rizzo, so he's not making this up. 

It was linked to in the article...

https://twitter.com/bdelrizzo/status/1362619264423747590?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1362619264423747590|twgr^|twcon^s1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fvideocardz.com%2Fnewz%2Fnvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-anti-mining-algoritm-is-not-just-a-driver-thing-technology-could-expand-to-more-skus

[Dominique_K 10,149]

OK then, thanks !  Better to have it from the horse's mouth.

Let's see if they can extend that to the 3080 and 3090 lines  and refocus the market on gamers. This situation gets utterly ridiculous. 

 

[Christopher Low 5,353]

I remember the good old days when top end graphics cards for less than £500, and you could get decent mid range ones for £150. Nowadays, you are lucky to get an abacus for the latter.

Edited March 1, 2021 by Christopher Low

[goates 576]

On 3/1/2021 at 4:46 AM, martin-w said:

3060 yes, and its not just the driver. Its the BIOS. Nvidia have said its not just the driver. I posted about it before. 

Looks like it might actually just be the driver.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/03/nvidia-accidentally-releases-driver-to-un-nerf-cryptocurrency-mining/

Oops...

[martin-w 3,235]

6 hours ago, goates said:

Looks like it might actually just be the driver.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/03/nvidia-accidentally-releases-driver-to-un-nerf-cryptocurrency-mining/

Oops...

 

In that very article they tell us Nvidia said its the BIOS as well. 

I'm no software expert, but this was tools that Nvidia left in the driver. I'm guessing those tools switched off the components in the driver and accessed the BIOS to do the same. 

Aparently, the hacking that was reported recently had minimal impact. Maybe that suggests both driver and BIOS are important.

But in any case, I don't belive Nvidia would lie and claim it was both driver and BIOS if it wasn't. 

[Dominique_K 10,149]

5 hours ago, martin-w said:

But in any case, I don't belive Nvidia would lie and claim it was both driver and BIOS if it wasn't. 

No, of course, cough,cough

[goates 576]

6 hours ago, martin-w said:

In that very article they tell us Nvidia said its the BIOS as well. 

And which the article calls into question.

6 hours ago, martin-w said:

I'm no software expert, but this was tools that Nvidia left in the driver. I'm guessing those tools switched off the components in the driver and accessed the BIOS to do the same. 

I wouldn't put it past Nvidia at all to lie about it, they've pulled some shady things in the past, or least exaggerate what they did. This proves that whatever they tried to do to lock out crypto mining could be overridden with just the driver. If it really was as secure as Nvidia claimed, I wouldn't have expected the developer driver to work like this on end user GPUs.

Either way, the cat is out of the bag now.

[martin-w 3,235]

5 hours ago, Dominique_K said:

No, of course, cough,cough

 

Ha...well know, because it can be verified.