1 hour ago, jarmstro said:

Did a quick google and it would seem I am far from unique.

just as deserving of ridicule, could be user error, could just be ubuntu (do you recall me not recommending it before you installed it)

So how do you rationalise [and mock, you said] the 242 frames over the previous second in this screenshot? Your hardware isn't that much lower spec than mine, let alone 10 times slower - perhaps its faulty?

9 hours ago, mSparks said:

 

Edited February 23, 20215 yr by mSparks

On 2/20/2021 at 9:55 PM, mSparks said:

 

maybe xplane does a lot of "blake2" type requests, something windows actually does better than Ubuntu and opensuse.

6 hours ago, mSparks said:

So how do you rationalise [and mock, you said] the 242 frames over the previous second in this screenshot? Your hardware isn't that much lower spec than mine, let alone 10 times slower - perhaps its faulty?

I can only endlessly repeat ad nauseam that the tests were for me on my own PC to see if Linux would give a significant performance increase over Windows in X-Plane with the settings I use as I had been led to believe. 
 

How you manage 242 fps I have no idea and nor do I care. And why you want 242fps is yet another question.To suggest it's even possible or indeed desirable to run XP at such speeds is indeed ridiculous. You must be sacrificing the little XP has to offer in terms of visuals in order to do so. And for what?

The fact that you will not accept the results I found is very evident and that's up to you. I can't be bothered to argue about it any further.

Edited February 23, 20215 yr by jarmstro

8 hours ago, mSparks said:

could just be ubuntu (do you recall me not recommending it before you installed it)

 

 

Tell us why you think Ubuntu won't work well and only Fedora ? I would like to know. 

Does Fedora have some kinda magic  with X_plane ?

 

 

Edited February 23, 20215 yr by HumptyDumpty

2 hours ago, HumptyDumpty said:

Tell us why you think Ubuntu won't work well and only Fedora ? I would like to know. 

Does Fedora have some kinda magic  with X_plane ?

 

 

Would like to know as well. Granted I don’t use either, as I always end up with some flavor of Arch on my machines. 
 

I am, however, extremely doubtful that Linux will double performance for me (testing a variety of games between W10 pro and different flavours of Linux have made me accept that fact - in some, Linux takes a slight lead while loosing in another title). 
 

would love to be able to run Linux 100% of the time though. Definitely my preferred OS. 

13 minutes ago, Swe_Richard said:

Would like to know as well. Granted I don’t use either, as I always end up with some flavor of Arch on my machines. 
 

I am, however, extremely doubtful that Linux will double performance for me (testing a variety of games between W10 pro and different flavours of Linux have made me accept that fact - in some, Linux takes a slight lead while loosing in another title). 
 

would love to be able to run Linux 100% of the time though. Definitely my preferred OS. 

Was on Arch a few years it's a fantastic distro.   

Except XP have never used any other game under Linux, for me the biggest hurdle is the AMD GPU PRO drivers,  until it was Opengl , would use the Mesa which would give me straight 40% performance increase compared to the AMD GPU proprietor drivers in Windows and Linux  , came Vulkan i could not run XP at all and have stopped bothering with installing the AMD GPU drivers and most of my stuff sim / games are on windows so chose to stick with it. 

Though a few are multi platform but i have let it stay on windows. 

But saying that there is a 50% performance difference is questionable.  

6 hours ago, jarmstro said:

I can only endlessly repeat ad nauseam that the tests were for me on my own PC to see if Linux would give a significant performance increase over Windows in X-Plane with the settings I use as I had been led to believe. 

So you picked basically the only distribution of Linux with known cases where it performs worse than windows in benchmarks

and then ignored all the advice you need to follow to get that performance increase

because? Underpant gnomes?

5 hours ago, HumptyDumpty said:

Tell us why you think Ubuntu won't work well and only Fedora ?

Wasn't "only Fedora" I posted Linux benchmarks of various distros a few pages back, Ubuntu was the only one that had benchmark results like

I recommended Fedora because its currently my main OS (with the mac mini a close second), and I've been on RHEL based distributions ever since it got the best results in internal testing for (non X-Plane) simulation stuff some 10 years ago (My PHD was on simulating healthcare systems, I use XPlane a lot because it has Linux support, not Linux because it has X-Plane support, I have no interest in or machines running windows at all these days).

2 hours ago, HumptyDumpty said:

for me the biggest hurdle is the AMD GPU PRO drivers

WIndows doesn't have it much better

XPD-10709, XPD-10868 Plugin OpenGL drawing artifacts under Windows with Vulkan on AMD GPUs.

AMD GPUs have been a no go because of their abysmal driver support since they were ATI. Nice hardware, completely let down by their chronic gross underfunding of their desktop driver team (the console guys get all the funding).

Edited February 23, 20215 yr by mSparks

2 hours ago, mSparks said:

So you picked basically the only distribution of Linux with known cases where it performs worse than windows in benchmarks

and then ignored all the advice you need to follow to get that performance increase

because? Underpant gnomes?

Wasn't "only Fedora" I posted Linux benchmarks of various distros a few pages back, Ubuntu was the only one that had benchmark results like

I recommended Fedora because its currently my main OS (with the mac mini a close second), and I've been on RHEL based distributions ever since it got the best results in internal testing for (non X-Plane) simulation stuff some 10 years ago (My PHD was on simulating healthcare systems, I use XPlane a lot because it has Linux support, not Linux because it has X-Plane support, I have no interest in or machines running windows at all these days).

WIndows doesn't have it much better

XPD-10709, XPD-10868 Plugin OpenGL drawing artifacts under Windows with Vulkan on AMD GPUs.

AMD GPUs have been a no go because of their abysmal driver support since they were ATI. Nice hardware, completely let down by their chronic gross underfunding of their desktop driver team (the console guys get all the funding).

Who cares if windows doesn't have it better ? at least it installs and performs unlike in Linux.   I can run all my stuff without much issues on a RX 550 2GB card.   And not waste my time trying to install the AMD pro driver.  

But you are the only one  showing  those charts with figures of performance.   Out of that 1-2% XP linux users no one has bothered to say the same ?

Benchmarks never meant much to me.  

BTW those are XP bugs not related to Windows / Linux 

Edited February 23, 20215 yr by HumptyDumpty

37 minutes ago, HumptyDumpty said:

Who cares if windows doesn't have it better ?

People who use MPI and PVM

Not people who can't afford a games console or iPad.

37 minutes ago, HumptyDumpty said:

Benchmarks never meant much to me.  

That's why I was hoping he would actually take it seriously, rather than play out like yet another microsoft funded hit piece.

37 minutes ago, HumptyDumpty said:

Out of that 1-2% XP linux users

Well, thats a lot more windows users who also haven't

37 minutes ago, HumptyDumpty said:

BTW those are XP bugs not related to Windows / Linux 

They are bugs with AMD driver on windows.

 

Edited February 23, 20215 yr by mSparks

Well I am running an UHGG operating system with all switches set to DHFF and KKGH only where warranted. Combine that with my JJ/K setup and I get framerates that are twice as high as mSparks!

Thats my story and I am sticking to it!

😇

23 minutes ago, Janov said:

Well I am running an UHGG operating system with all switches set to DHFF and KKGH only where warranted. Combine that with my JJ/K setup and I get framerates that are twice as high as mSparks!

Thats my story and I am sticking to it!

😇

If that was a mild jibe at not knowing what MPI and PVM are, they are the key software technologies behind

and

all the computers in this list

https://www.top500.org/

surely with your flight sim snobery you can appreciate my compute snobery.

Edited February 23, 20215 yr by mSparks

1 hour ago, mSparks said:

People who use MPI and PVM

Not people who can't afford a games console or iPad.

That's why I was hoping he would actually take it seriously, rather than play out like yet another microsoft funded hit piece.

Well, thats a lot more windows users who also haven't

They are bugs with AMD driver on windows.

 

I know of enough windows users who says it performs well.

I think you should read :  https://www.x-plane.com/kb/x-plane-11-52-release-notes/

If it was a bug with Windows driver LR would not have posted it and that related bug would have been posted at AMD website "known Issues".  That means the XPD number will be fixed by LR and not AMD.

 

3 hours ago, mSparks said:

So you picked basically the only distribution of Linux with known cases where it performs worse than windows in benchmarks

and then ignored all the advice you need to follow to get that performance increase

OK you win. On Friday I will install Fedora and try again.

Please provide precise instructions. I will follow them to the letter. My caveat is that I must be able to install it on a different drive to Widows.

Please also provide instructions on how to take a screen shot in Fedora. Once you say it is correctly set up and optimised I will re do my tests.

The test will be quite simple. The settings I normally use but with AA in the middle rather than one notch from full. Default Cessna. Various locations and weather conditions.

PS You do realise that I'd entered the code to turn on performance mode in Ubuntu do you? It made no difference that I could notice.

Edited February 23, 20215 yr by jarmstro

Just now, jarmstro said:

OK you win. On Friday I will install Fedora and try again.

Please provide precise instructions. I will follow them to the letter. My caveat is that I must be able to install it on a different drive to Widows.

Please also provide instructions on how to take a screen shot in Fedora. Once you say it is correctly set up and optimised I will re do my tests.

Lol I am outta here.

Even I am curious to see the performance. I would gladly install Fedora to see what msparks keeps telling us about , but I do not think I would want to go through the trouble of installing AMD drivers and don't think AMD GPU PRo is even available for Fedora 

You just need to select that other SSD for install and as a bootloader you should be fine. 

Edited February 23, 20215 yr by HumptyDumpty

1 minute ago, HumptyDumpty said:

Lol I am outta here

I just want to be certain that I didn't mess up as I've been accused of doing just that. A big FPS increase for XP over Windows would be very welcome if it's possible.

Edited February 23, 20215 yr by jarmstro