52 minutes ago, Murmur said:

Well, technically speaking, a big percentage of users (if not the majority) is running X-Plane on a Linux based OS... 🙂

And sooner, then later, they'll probably be running it in a Linux native OS....

Actually Windows-NT and derivatives have their hard roots in Open VMS ( How I hated that system.... )

Edited February 21, 20215 yr by jcomm

2 hours ago, Janov said:

I am not sure how many folks are actually playing X-Plane on game consoles... 😐

I think he's talking about macos.

Andoid would also hit it

and iOS...

That was my biggest shock (and driver for swapping to the mac mini) when I started with mac development, its basically Linux with some nice developer toys for end users, its only windows that is a pita to develop for, that's carried on with the new console SDKs to

Also finally got my XP "flight practice" ready this evening

need to log some more hours, really didn't get to fly much last year, and I have a lot of work to do on my preflight checks and getting them fluid.

Edited February 22, 20215 yr by mSparks

1 hour ago, Janov said:

I am not sure how many folks are actually playing X-Plane on game consoles... 😐

I'm referring to Android eheh.

It was interesting to test Linux out. But as it offered no worthwhile benefit I've deleted it and recovered the disk space. Despite what mSparks may say I saw very little difference between Linux and Windows no matter which settings I used. High or Low. 

Edited February 22, 20215 yr by jarmstro

3 hours ago, jarmstro said:

It was interesting to test Linux out. But as it offered no worthwhile benefit I've deleted it and recovered the disk space. 

Or, if you had run it at settings you have hardware support for, you could have doubled your framerate.

Guess we'll never know, did you even install steam and browse the linux exclusive games or whatever Ubuntus version of the software discovery center is?

Edited February 22, 20215 yr by mSparks

7 hours ago, Janov said:

If you had paid any attention in class when they were talking about percentage calculation you would know why this is 😂😋.

Unfortunately class for me was a very, very long time ago!😂 Anyway's up, I'm back at home in Windows and nothings broken after my trip to the dark side. Geeks like writing code for some reason best known to themselves. I don't. Life's too short.

5 hours ago, jarmstro said:

Unfortunately class for me was a very, very long time ago!😂 Anyway's up, I'm back at home in Windows and nothings broken after my trip to the dark side. Geeks like writing code for some reason best known to themselves. I don't. Life's too short.

lol so much trouble just by getting trapped by  those out of this world performance charts. 

 

7 hours ago, mSparks said:

Or, if you had run it at settings you have hardware support for, you could have doubled your framerate.

That wasn't the point. The point was to compare XP in Linux with Windows .  

You haven't read what I have written. It was only on the initial run that I deliberately had it set on those high settings. I tried it with many different settings afterwards ( including no AA) which give high frame rates and got the same differential with XP in Windows not matter how they were set. I tried various locations and even a full short flight with the Toliss on both installations. I also switched it to 'performance' mode as recommended earlier (it made no difference that I could notice). 

In all cases with exactly like for like settings the FPS difference between Windows and Linux was minimal. An average of 2-3 fps in favour of Linux.

Believe me! Nothing would have pleased me more than to have found that Linux gave me a large performance increase for XP!!! But it just doesn't.

Certainly it's just not worth the sacrifice of all the addons I use and enjoy such as Active Sky, Traffic Global and X-Vision.

 

Edited February 22, 20215 yr by jarmstro

1 hour ago, jarmstro said:

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Certainly it's just not worth the sacrifice of all the addons I use and enjoy such as Active Sky, Traffic Global and X-Vision.

 

And that is the underlying issue, if more add ons worked with Linux id be happy to drop windows,

6 hours ago, jarmstro said:

In all cases with exactly like for like settings the FPS difference between Windows and Linux was minimal. An average of 2-3 fps in favour of Linux.

So you get 240fps in windows and 242fps in Linux and you tried switching because 240fps isn't enough for you? - not sure why, but I find that hard to believe.

Thing is, I cant go over to the dark side and try windows, because I dont own a copy, and windows requires I wipe my machine first - no easy going back. No "Installing windows for XPlane" for me

It woulda just been nice to get more from your efforts than giving Greazer fodder to claim you proved Phoronix liars (when afaict you didn't even have time to get basic setup completed, let alone run any meaningful tests - did you even try xplanes built in benchmarking?).

Edited February 22, 20215 yr by mSparks

1 hour ago, mSparks said:

So you get 240fps in windows and 242fps in Linux and you tried switching because 240fps isn't enough for you? - not sure why, but I find that hard to believe.

 

Ridiculous. The tests I carried out were for my benefit not yours. All I'm interested in are the results I got with the settings I normally use. Carry out your own tests if you dissaprove.

Edited February 22, 20215 yr by jarmstro

14 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

Ridiculous.

No

On 2/21/2021 at 3:43 AM, jarmstro said:

Linux 23-24fps

Windows 23fps

Is ridiculous.

define:ridiculous

/rɪˈdɪkjʊləs/

adjective

deserving or inviting derision or mockery; absurd.

Edited February 22, 20215 yr by mSparks

My first confrontation with Linux also ended in me throwing it away. A few years later and being sick of Windows' overhead on a weak laptop, however...

As my dad says: You always meet twice in life.

 

5 hours ago, mSparks said:

Thing is, I cant go over to the dark side and try windows, because I dont own a copy, and windows requires I wipe my machine first - no easy going back. No "Installing windows for XPlane" for me

Disk space requirements aside, Windows nowadays plays nicely with EFI partitions. It won't even wipe your bootloader anymore after major upgrades.

1 hour ago, Bjoern said:

Disk space requirements aside, Windows nowadays plays nicely with EFI partitions. It won't even wipe your bootloader anymore after major upgrades.

good to hear

but "slightly worse than linux" still doesn't inspire me to blow $200 on

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/windows-10-pro/df77x4d43rkt?activetab=pivot%3aoverviewtab

(no, I'm not paying for a pirate version from some sketchy website)

I still wouldnt recommend ubuntu, I wouldn't even recommend a full install for a complete newbie.

For people wanting to try Linux, id say set aside 50GB or so, make a fedora VM, and browse the software center and steam to see what there is, get a feel for the different desktops (gnome is very very windows user unfriendly) and how to use it.

avoid wasting money on windows only things.

And only then, sometime later consider a full install.

 

Edited February 22, 20215 yr by mSparks

8 hours ago, mSparks said:

No

Is ridiculous.

define:ridiculous

/rɪˈdɪkjʊləs/

adjective

deserving or inviting derision or mockery; absurd.

Did a quick google and it would seem I am far from unique.
 

Literally the first result was -

Posted by

u/TeknoMatik

 

3 years ago        (<- Link)

 

X-Plane 11 on Linux and Windows FPS Comparison (Results)

Hello everybody!

Recently I asked you if you interesting of performance comparison between Linux and Windows so I did the test and here is results.

• PC spec: i5-6500, GTX1060 6GB, 16GB Ram, normal HDD.

• Version of OS: Windows 10, Ubuntu 16.04 LTS.

• Drivers: Windows - 382, Ubuntu - 375 (default in Software Center for 16.04).

Testing method: My method is very simple. I choose two planes, two airports, three different views, fives weather conditions and two times of a day. In every combination I took a screenshot and compare fps based on screenshots. Planes - Flight Factor 767-300 as a big airliner, default Cesna 172P as GA. Airports - big KLAX (Custom Scenery which I downloaded from x-plane forum for free) and small and default EPKK. View - cockpit, outside, tower. Weather - clear, overcast, scattered, foggy, stormy. Day and night.

Here is results in tables and charts: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y5E1tjp0ID-OeULNOAZJJovd1UeGf5P1XFv22lpjqoI

And all screenshots: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/gfv4djc6bhim5u2/AADkfQnOGX_VrjPVDPWEg6Zpa?dl=0

Conclusion: Based on what I've got the conclusion is very simple - X-Plane 11 perform better on Windows in almost every scenarios except of a night in FF767. Overall experience of flying in X-Plane 11 in Windows is smoother and better rather than in Linux.

Edited February 22, 20215 yr by jarmstro