On 2/25/2021 at 5:21 PM, Ixoye said:

The TBM 930 is a great option until the CRV is released,

Hats off to Honda Engineers, their Vtec engine has improved a lot!

26 minutes ago, Boeing_Driver said:

Is the VNAV functional in the TBM with the mods?

Outstanding in ILS approach. Better than several others. It's reliable and smooth.

I don't use VNAV too much in auto mode cruising. I always use it on precision approaches.

Prior to depart I pre-set VS to whatever I think I need, also I preset the ALT target upon clearance with ATC prior takeoff. Then at the appropriate time I turn AP on, adjust VS if needed, and go. I fly by Radio Navaids, or by RVAV GPS and both ways works well. I also the use the aircraft FMS but some times only. I find boring flying super automated. But thats one personal preference of course.

We have a private network in my VA and our ATC's like to handle the traffic with vectors + adjusting altitudes, so no point to set up a blind VNAV that won't ever happen.

Regards

AHS712D Alvaro Escorcia KSGR

AirHispania Virtual Airline

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5 minutes ago, wlix261 said:

Outstanding in ILS approach. Better than several others. It's reliable and smooth.

I don't use VNAV too much in auto mode cruising. I always use it on precision approaches.

Prior to depart I pre-set VS to whatever I think I need, also I preset the ALT target upon clearance with ATC prior takeoff. Then at the appropriate time I turn AP on, adjust VS if needed, and go. I fly by Radio Navaids, or by RVAV GPS and both ways works well. I also the use the aircraft FMS but some times only. I find boring flying super automated. But thats one personal preference of course.

We have a private network in my VA and our ATC's like to handle the traffic with vectors + adjusting altitudes, so no point to set up a blind VNAV that won't ever happen.

Regards

AHS712D Alvaro Escorcia KSGR

AirHispania Virtual Airline

www.AirHispania.com

 

I'm confused

You've mentioned three different types of vertical guidance: ILS (APP mode follows the ground based glideslope), VNAV; a mode completely separate from the ILS system, which is supposed to meet the stepdown restrictions in your flight plan and VS, a set vertical speed mode that ignores GPS/ground based glide paths.

In any event, I just read that the current version of the G3000 doesn't support VNAV. 

On 2/25/2021 at 10:44 PM, ErichB said:

Two very different types of aircraft and for different purposes.  I'd say the TBM is more versatile and more fun to fly.  I'm halfway through a round the world tour in the TBM (for the past 4 months ) and I never get bored of flying it - with the mods.

What is the mod you use Erich ?  

Just wondering if anyone's flown this plane recently (TBM). I seem to be having some sort of parasitic drag issue or an actual lack of drag altogether.

First, on takeoff roll I cant throttle up more than about 60% forward throw on my throttle lever without over torqueing the engine, so I can only use around 50% of available throw as safety measure...

...and then, if I want to fly low/slow under 200kts at only a few thousand feet of altitude I need to cut throttles ALL THE WAY back to near zero throw (using a saitek throttle quad which seems to be calibrated ok). 

I'm using the Mugz mod which adds drag once you drop the gear...I've been away 6 months since i last flew this plane but i dont recall it being THIS slippery was it? Or is the mod itself the issue here, does anyone know? 

3 minutes ago, hangar said:

Just wondering if anyone's flown this plane recently (TBM). I seem to be having some sort of parasitic drag issue or an actual lack of drag altogether.

First, on takeoff roll I cant throttle up more than about 60% forward throw on my throttle lever without over torqueing the engine, so I can only use around 50% of available throw as safety measure...

...and then, if I want to fly low/slow under 200kts at only a few thousand feet of altitude I need to cut throttles ALL THE WAY back to near zero throw (using a saitek throttle quad which seems to be calibrated ok). 

I'm using the Mugz mod which adds drag once you drop the gear...I've been away 6 months since i last flew this plane but i dont recall it being THIS slippery was it? Or is the mod itself the issue here, does anyone know? 

I am flying it all the time. Got about 400 hrs now and enjoying it big time with the two essential mods. (WT G3000 and the improvement mod mentioned earlier in this thread).

I modded some light effects to resample a bit more modern LED type Strobe and Recog lights aswell as Nav lights.

@ThomseN_incI'm not sure how what you're saying is related to my question. Are you simply saying that you aren't experiencing the issue I've described?

Edited March 30, 20215 yr by hangar

30 minutes ago, hangar said:

Just wondering if anyone's flown this plane recently (TBM). I seem to be having some sort of parasitic drag issue or an actual lack of drag altogether.

First, on takeoff roll I cant throttle up more than about 60% forward throw on my throttle lever without over torqueing the engine, so I can only use around 50% of available throw as safety measure...

...and then, if I want to fly low/slow under 200kts at only a few thousand feet of altitude I need to cut throttles ALL THE WAY back to near zero throw (using a saitek throttle quad which seems to be calibrated ok). 

I'm using the Mugz mod which adds drag once you drop the gear...I've been away 6 months since i last flew this plane but i dont recall it being THIS slippery was it? Or is the mod itself the issue here, does anyone know? 

I am using the latest Mugz mod and WT 3000 mod. I don't have the issues you describe. On takeoff roll I generally use about 80 to 82% power which is ITT restricted with inertial seperator on. After climb to about 10,000 ft. inertial seperator off and power up to 98 to 100% for remainder of climb. Typical descent for me from cruise alt is anywhere from about 30 to 55% power depending on wind, icing etc. Getting speed down to final approach power may go down to 26% but with full flaps on final I'm generally 40 to 50%.

4 minutes ago, Baron2829 said:

I am using the latest Mugz mod and WT 3000 mod. I don't have the issues you describe. On takeoff roll I generally use about 80 to 82% power which is ITT restricted with inertial seperator on. After climb to about 10,000 ft. inertial seperator off and power up to 98 to 100% for remainder of climb. Typical descent for me from cruise alt is anywhere from about 30 to 55% power depending on wind, icing etc. Getting speed down to final approach power may go down to 26% but with full flaps on final I'm generally 40 to 50%.

But I was not using torque values in my post (as I think you may be)...I was using throttle measurement of the available throw. Are you saying you can keep your physical throttle lever 80% forward without over torqueing? If so, I may have a broken throttle quadrant here.

Edited March 30, 20215 yr by hangar

29 minutes ago, hangar said:

@ThomseN_incI'm not sure how what you're saying is related to my question. Are you simply saying that you aren't experiencing the issue I've described?

Looks like, yes. Not having any issues with the TBM and its mods.

Ok thanks guys...guess I'll have to look into a possible throttle issue on my end.

12 minutes ago, hangar said:

But I was not using torque values in my post (as I think you may be)...I was using throttle measurement of the available throw. Are you saying you can keep your physical throttle lever 80% forward without over torqueing? If so, I may have a broken throttle quadrant here.

I'm sorry, didn't mean to confuse the issue. You're right I was using torque values. However with my saitech throttle quadrant on the tbm 100% torque is about 85% throw on the saitech.

Depends.., if you want some free of charge, go for CJ4. But if you want spend some money... grab the CRJ. Lovely plane, pretty functional, specially if you're looking for a study level type.

So it turns out that there's nothing wrong with my saitek throttles. Apparently, it was the mod causing my issue with the TBM.

As soon as I removed the mod, the plane's power band was back to normal and is no longer a rocket ship. That mod has some messed up power band issues. Must have something to do with how he removed the 30% throttle gap in the lower band...it became a rocket ship with throttles placed in the mid to upper power bands, lol. I'd rather have more stability in the mid to upper throttle bands than the lower half, so...gonna stick with vanilla for now.

My only gripe is that with the vanilla version the airplane will not slow...and even dropping gear early doesn't help nearly enough. But I guess it's easy enough for me to just add some extra gear and flap drag, even though that's not the proper way to really fix this, word not allowed plane needs an airbrake 🙂

 

Edited March 30, 20215 yr by hangar

4 hours ago, hangar said:

@ThomseN_incI'm not sure how what you're saying is related to my question. Are you simply saying that you aren't experiencing the issue I've described?

Yes - many of us are experiencing the issues you described following the last patch by Asobo.  It's still a great aircraft, but the patch crunched the torque/speed performance.  Hopefully, Asobo will correct this down the road.  Something that helps - update to the latest WT g3000 Mod (v0.5.0), then follow their recommendation to edit the crossover_speed setting in the TBM930 Mod flight_model.cfg to get rid of the redline errors in the standby airspeed indicator.

This aircraft is, in reality, very slick and it really does take care to get her slowed down.  Using the recommended procedure will still bring good results.  Slow to 150 KIA before glideslope intercept and drop gear, then TO flaps just prior.  Reduce more at intercept and add full flaps - establish 85 KIA (+10 to -5, mattering on conditions).  Reduce to around 20% at 50 AGL, then reduce to 10% TRQ at 10 AGL, flare to +5 to +7.  Pull throttle just before touchdown, keep the nose up and she'll set down nicely.