Really? Isn't that a bit optimistic?

 

https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/worlds-first-space-hotel-open-2027

 

The Voyager Station, which would accommodate 280 guests, aims to be the first commercial space hotel upon completion

 

 

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I don't think it's a bit optimistic at all. Rather, I think it's totally unrealistic. Opening in six years and they haven't even negotiated a lift contract? I don't think so. It's a pipe dream. They should never forget...magic is unreliable. And so is magical thinking.

How would they, initially, provide an atmosphere on such a large scale?

Just getting men back to the moon by 2024 is requiring a great effort and mucho expenses - try at least 2037 for a 2001-type spinning hub for a hotel...

A space station where you can be in casual clothing, and which rotates to create artificial gravity, open by 2027? Yeah right. Total clickbait.

It seems that having gone far down the path of ruining our own world in the name of tourism, business and basically greed, the next step is to fill the space around it with self-gratifying space debris. If there is enough money to finance this, perhaps it would be better spent undoing some of the damage already done on Earth.

Edited March 9, 20215 yr by Reader

58 minutes ago, Reader said:

the next step is to fill the space around it with self-gratifying space debris

which may or may not run the risk of having another piece of space debris hit it.... 

EDIT: However, actually getting spacecraft with artificial gravity would greatly benefit the space programs I feel.

 

1 hour ago, dmwalker said:

How would they, initially, provide an atmosphere on such a large scale?

Politicians will be the first guests - so much hot air... 

Very nice website for the station project https://voyagerstation.com/

Disappointed that there was no Blue Danube Waltz on the concept animation.. 

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1 hour ago, Reader said:

It seems that having gone far down the path of ruining our own world in the name of tourism, business and basically greed, the next step is to fill the space around it with self-gratifying space debris. If there is enough money to finance this, perhaps it would be better spent undoing some of the damage already done on Earth.

 

Its a private company. They will be doing this to make a profit for said company. They aren't going to bankrupt themselves by spending their billions cleaning up planet Earth. 

2 hours ago, Chock said:

A space station where you can be in casual clothing, and which rotates to create artificial gravity, open by 2027? Yeah right. Total clickbait.

 

Well you know me, if its space, I'm Mr Enthusiasm, Elon will get us to Mars faster than a speeding bullet and the latest design for a plasma rocket will get us to the outer planets quicker than I can sneeze... but even I'm not convinced by this time frame. I think they've just pulled this time frame out of their... WORD DEFINITELY NOT ALLOWED! 

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In a recent interview with CNN Travel, Blincow explained there had been some Covid-related delays, but construction on the space hotel is expected to begin in 2026, and a sojourn in space could be a reality by 2027.

 

So construction begins in 2026 and in orbit by 2027. So ONE YEAR! This man is smoking something weird. That's as fast as a run of the mill supermarket here on Erath. 

https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/voyager-station-space-hotel-scn/index.html

Elon's plans to put people on Mars anytime soon is just that, plans.  (OK, maybe for a one-way trip).  But I truly believe robots who walk on two legs will be there way before humans ever will - and that scenario for a one-way trip is certainly acceptable...  

2 hours ago, martin-w said:

 

Its a private company. They will be doing this to make a profit for said company. They aren't going to bankrupt themselves by spending their billions cleaning up planet Earth. 

Which is why we are where we are and why we will almost certainly continue down the path that we are on. Seemingly, we have the ability to do something as remarkable as build a space hotel, while at the same time, not having the sense to see that the earth itself is heading towards a series of  man made catastrophes. We will collectively deserve all that is coming to us.

1 hour ago, Reader said:

Which is why we are where we are and why we will almost certainly continue down the path that we are on.

 

Well no, not really. It's nothing to do with private companies spending money on ventures. Without private companies manufacturing products (and a space hotel is a product) and customers buying that product, the economies of the modern world couldn't function and we would have economic collapse. Money has to be generated by selling products.  The company building this space hotel didn't find the money growing on trees, it has to sell a product to have the money in the first place. Or borrow capital that has to be paid back. 

 

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Seemingly, we have the ability to do something as remarkable as build a space hotel, while at the same time, not having the sense to see that the earth itself is heading towards a series of  man made catastrophes.

 

Well, we do have the sense to see that the Earth is heading in that direction, but there are certain entities that are hell bent on preventing us from mitigating those man made catastrophes, primarily because the sale of their particular product is under threat. So its not about having the money to mitigate such issues, its about having the political will. Plus, about figuring out how we can mitigate those issues in a way that enables the economies of the world to remain functional. And how we can enable certain industries to transition to manufacturing products that aren't harmful to the environment and no longer nudge us toward the catastrophic outcomes you allude to. 

 

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We will collectively deserve all that is coming to us.

 

In a manner of speaking yes, but, for example, if we take our addiction to fossil fuels. Fossil fuel's were quite miraculous in the way they transformed the world from the industrial revolution onward. Great benefits were bestowed upon the majority in society. So we cant really blame society for heading in the direction of fossil fuel addiction. In fact I wouldn't mind betting that if there are other industrialised planets out there in the cosmos that the same scenario is manifest there too. The trouble is though, it is now abundantly clear that we must break that addiction and that a better way is required. 

So where we are to blame, is not transitioning away from that particular energy source sooner. Procrastination is our crime. 

I disagree with the basic assumption behind what you wrote, that we need the economies based on human avarice and the destruction of the environment to survive. In fact in order to prevent the inevitable self destruction that will follow if we continue down this path, a complete change of direction and behaviour is required. This will need to be so radical that whether or not some private company, however wealthy, seeks to make itself richer by cluttering up space will be irrelevant. We are living in an unsustainable way and greater issues, such as water, food and living space will overtake such nonsense and potentially leave the privileged few who could visit such a place with nowhere to return to.

2 hours ago, Reader said:

I disagree with the basic assumption behind what you wrote, that we need the economies based on human avarice and the destruction of the environment to survive. 

 

That's not what I said at all. I did not say that we NEED an economic system that results in destruction of the environment to survive. You have misrepresented my comments and generated a conclusion that is diametrically opposed to my opinion. Its also a contradictory statement. 

I said we need to transition away from means of power generation (and other economic practices) that damage the environment. 

I said that the use of fossil fuels (and other practices) have been very beneficial to society (which is fact) but we must transition way from that addiction now that we know its harmful. I also said we are at fault for not doing so sooner. 

 

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In fact in order to prevent the inevitable self destruction that will follow if we continue down this path, a complete change of direction and behaviour is required.

 

 I agree, in terms of power generation and certain other practices. But the world will still need to manufacture products and sell those products. What we need to do is to do so sustainably. 

 

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We are living in an unsustainable way and greater issues, such as water, food and living space will overtake such nonsense and potentially leave the privileged few who could visit such a place with nowhere to return to.

 

As previously stated, a private company putting a space station in orbit with their own funding has no bearing on if/how/when mankind mitigates climate change and other environmental issues. The financial resources that company has would never be available to spend on environmental issues. If they did suddenly decide to divert their funds that way, with no profit in return, they would obviously be bankrupt and cease to exist.  Furthermore... if climate change, a super volcano, a CME or some other existential crisis comes our way, we will be very glad that developments in terms of space stations, bases on the Moon, Mars and other planets are technologies we have developed.

We also have to consider the vast number of beneficial technologies that have come from our endeavours in space, and yes, that will continue with the efforts of private companies. For example, we wouldn't have Cat Scanners that save lives without the space program. And what beneficial technologies  will be developed by this company as a result of their endeavour to create a space hotel?

The environmental issues we face will be mitigated by political will and legislation… not by banning private companies from spending their own money on space stations and not, for example, by banning Elon Musk from taking us to Mars.

In short, whether a private company puts a space station in  orbit or not does not impact our ability to mitigate the environmental issues we face. 

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