Hey this has been a great !!! popcorn thread, time to chuck some more on and butter up !!

Truely the mud slinging and the back and forth are amazing and at times even funny 😀

Tell me... Does MSFS really have this type of flight model ???

Cheers

 

17 minutes ago, akita said:

The last 3 pages y'all came at me, wrote thousands of words

The truth is that everyone here is set in stone in their belief - and there will be no conceding...on neither side.

For everyone getting frustrated when reading threads like "MSFS has the most advanced flight model?" or "One sim to rule them all!" my advice is: Don´t. 🙂

21 minutes ago, Rogen said:

Tell me... Does MSFS really have this type of flight model ???

 

In my opinion, these guys must be simply wrong on all accounts. 1000 surfaces would not allow this. And also BobSk8 and Sd_flyer are real pilots and they said MSFS is realistic. Oh, and PMDG will set this all right, soon.

All bantering aside: I do believe that a lot of the issues mentioned here will be fixed sooner or later - or already have been. The video I cited is actually fairly old. 😉

 

Edited June 11, 20214 yr by Janov

At 2:15...Do my eyes deceive me?  Did he just do a backflip on takeoff???

 

In the very comments of that Youtube video, from 6 days ago, from user TXVETJEB, it says:

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I flew the 152 this morning in MSFS and the load on stall issue has been fixed.

Why are people taking a very old video from 6 months ago and claiming that is the flight model of MSFS today?

Edited June 11, 20214 yr by abrams_tank

9 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

In the very comments of that Youtube video, from 6 days ago, from user TXVETJEB, it says:

Why are people taking a very old video and claiming that is the flight model of MSFS today?

 

It's not THAT old.  January of this year.

But anyway, clarification is always a good thing.  

And we thank you for pointing that out.

Has the backflip on takeoff been fixed?

And has the stall issue been fixed on the King Air?

Edited June 11, 20214 yr by GoranM

SIM Update 4 has fixed an awful lot of things. 

I think however it is clear the FM will take time to come to fruition with every Sim Update, and it is also clear that the FM was not the priority at launch. IMHO SIM Update 4 has made the world of difference, but there is a long way to go.

11 minutes ago, GoranM said:

 

It's not THAT old.  January of this year.

But anyway, clarification is always a good thing.  

And we thank you for pointing that out.

Has the backflip on takeoff been fixed?

And has the stall issue been fixed on the King Air?

Yes. On the other hand there's no need to take my word for it just swallow your pride, instal MSFS and see for yourself.

Edited June 11, 20214 yr by jarmstro

4 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

Yes.

It'd be reassuring if it was a proper fix, within the core flight model as opposed to some kind of hack that fixes the lack of stall JUST on the KA.  But let's just say it's the core flight model...so as to avoid any unnecessary conflict or debate.

If there is some kind of a changelog that shows it, I'd be most interested.

Edited June 11, 20214 yr by GoranM

4 minutes ago, GoranM said:

It's be reassuring if it was a proper fix, within the core flight model as opposed to some kind of hack that fixes the lack of stall.  But let's just say it's the core flight model...so as to avoid any unnecessary conflict or debate.

As I said above (with an edit) there's no need to take my word for it. Simply swallow your pride, instal MSFS and see for yourself.

PS. Having uninstalled X-Plane I've a spare 3TB disk I  can send you if you are short of space.😀

Edited June 11, 20214 yr by jarmstro

4 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

As I said above (with an edit) there's no need to take my word for it. Simply swallow your pride, instal MSFS and see for yourself.😀

Pride has nothing to do with installing MSFS.  I installed it in November of last year, and was left underwhelmed as far as physics go.  It has stunning scenery and lighting, and I thoroughly enjoyed that part of it, but after running a few aircraft tests, I found it wasn't for me.  Maybe I'll try it again as it matures.

Edited June 11, 20214 yr by GoranM

17 minutes ago, GoranM said:

It'd be reassuring if it was a proper fix, within the core flight model as opposed to some kind of hack that fixes the lack of stall JUST on the KA.  But let's just say it's the core flight model...so as to avoid any unnecessary conflict or debate.

If there is some kind of a changelog that shows it, I'd be most interested.

This is part of the issue with X-Plane though.  From the very first post in this thread where people have said X-Plane uses "kludge" to fill in the weak spots of its flight model.  And even some X-Plane proponents have admitted about X-Plane's flight model, that X-Plane uses a lot of hacks to fix the flight model (ie. what some commenters have referred to as "kludge").

Edited June 11, 20214 yr by abrams_tank

2 minutes ago, GoranM said:

Pride has nothing to do with installing MSFS.  I installed it in November of last year, and was left underwhelmed as far as physics go.  It has stunning scenery and lighting, and I thoroughly enjoyed that part of it, but after running a few aircraft tests, I found it wasn't for me.  Maybe I'll try it again as it matures.

Since you don't seem to be up to date with MSFS, one of the best things about MSFS is that Asobo is very responsive and listens to the community.  Asobo then acts on the most highly voted topics from the community (yes, Asobo can't do everything all at once, since it takes time, so some of the less voted topics won't get worked on until the higher priority issues have been fixed).  And the transparency with Asobo is great because every month, we have at least one Twitch Q&A (actually, for this month, we will have more than one Twitch Q&A because there is a separate Q&A for the SDK).

Asobo was also humble enough to acknowledge their work on the G1000/G3000 wasn't being fixed fast enough, so they hired the Working Title developers to takeover the G1000/G3000 work.  This is the right attitude and this is why I think Asobo will go far with MSFS (well, they have gone very far already with MSFS).

 

Just now, abrams_tank said:

This is part of the issue with X-Plane though.  From the very first post in this thread where people have said X-Plane uses "kludge" to fill in the weak spots of its flight model.  And even some X-Plane proponents like Janov have admitted about X-Plane's flight model, that X-Plane uses a lot of hacks to fix the flight model (ie. what some commenters have referred to as "kludge").

Ok, I never intended to bring X-Plane into it, but I'll respond to your comment.  You're taking 1 thing and turning it into something else.  No one in the entire X-Plane community, including Austin, has said the X-Plane flight model is perfect.  Everyone is in agreement that the X-Plane flight model has flaws.  It'd be extremely narrow minded to think otherwise.  However, I don't remember reading anything about "hacks" to get the flight model right.  There are things that can be adjusted to get the performance and physics right.  An example is creating an accurate as possible wing on a low wing aircraft, but in the sim, when deploying flaps, the aircraft pitches UP.  In a low wing aircraft, the co-efficient of moment forces the nose to pitch down.  So that can be adjusted.  Is this a "hack"?  I wouldn't think so.  X-Plane, at this time, doesn't know if you're creating a high wing or low wing aircraft.  So Austin added fields for co-efficient of lift, co-efficient of drag and co-efficient of moment for the flight model author to make their own adjustments.  There are other areas, such as radius of gyration, etc...but I won't bore anyone with those.

Guys, really. XPlane has the best flight model ever LOL Basically just as flawed as any other PC simulator.