I love coming into this forum - it makes me feel so young!  

I have my heart set on a DC-3, but I will certainly be taking a look at this.

Edited June 17, 20214 yr by bobcat999

6 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

I love coming into this forum - it makes me feel so young!  

I have my heart set on a DC-3, but I will certainly be taking a look at this.

If the DC-6 sells well, they might just do that. They only have to remove 2 engines and move the nosewheel back a bit to make it a DC-3😀 (ducks)
In fact, i'd love to see the entire DC range in this sim in this quality.

7 minutes ago, orchestra_nl said:

If the DC-6 sells well, they might just do that. They only have to remove 2 engines and move the nosewheel back a bit to make it a DC-3😀 (ducks)...

Whoa there!.. Carl will be after you! 😀

Maybe one or two other changes will be needed, but Bob and I will discuss that while floating in his backyard pool.

😉

23 minutes ago, orchestra_nl said:

If the DC-6 sells well, they might just do that. They only have to remove 2 engines and move the nosewheel back a bit to make it a DC-3😀 (ducks)
In fact, i'd love to see the entire DC range in this sim in this quality.

I was always surprised that PMDG has not created a DC-3. The company actually owns one, so accurate source material is right at hand. There is a whole series of YouTube videos documenting the (multi stop) flight that Robert and crew made a couple of years ago via the Blue Spruce route (Canada-Greenland-Iceland-Scotland) to take it to the UK for the 75th anniversary celebration of D-Day

Edited June 17, 20214 yr by JRBarrett

JR- it’s equally enchanting in the Six.

Did the versions in the other sims have a Flight Engineer, FSX, or P3D? If indeed it was available in those sims? If not having it in MSFS is going to help it a ton, especially if it can also be flown on PC & X-Box and if it comes in at a decent price. What is decent is different for everyone. I'm thinking $60.00 it will sell like hot cakes, over that it might, and i have no idea, just be the loyal PMDG customers and maybe a few extra.

Will be interesting to see. And either way it eventually makes it to the Market Place, so include those people down the road like me. Can't wait to see all the videos from different people that fly it different ways. The lets get this thing off the ground and in the air, to let's go by actual procedure to fire this thing up. Looks to me like ti might please all those people, which is very good indeed 🙂

34 minutes ago, in2tech said:

Did the versions in the other sims have a Flight Engineer, FSX, or P3D? If indeed it was available in those sims?

I have the P3D DC-6B and it has the AFE. I don't think there was an FSX version of the aircraft.

8 hours ago, Der Zeitgeist said:

But I also had a bunch of people immediately jump into the discussion telling me how the stock MSFS flight planner and nav database wasn't even worth using anyway, that "everyone was using Navigraph" and its charts anyway and if I insisted on using the stock MSFS flight planner and nav database, I shouldn't be using the WT mods. 

I certainly hope you didn't get that kind of answer from anyone on the server with WT colors.  We firmly believe in creating a sim community that is friendly and open to all virtual aviators, whether they're grizzled sky gods or folks flying 737s under bridges with controllers.  It sounds as though some members of the general userbase of our server may have failed that test, though, and for that I apologize at the same time as I hope folks understand they don't speak for us as an organization.

For the topic in general, I can offer from the developer's perspective that trying to support those "twin worlds" of both serious and casual simmers -- and the folks in between, it's not a dichotomy, it's an axis, and people can move along it by the day -- can be a real challenge at times.   It can come up in areas where you wouldn't expect it, such as whether you should actually reduce the performance or visual quality of something to make it better match the "real thing".

(Yes, "should our stuff perform worse?" is a question we have occasionally bounced around amongst ourselves.  Mostly jokingly, sure, but I think the point it proves is a real one.)

And, yes, more germane to your comment in particular, "Are the people who care about this thing only using Navigraph, anyway?" has also come up for topics related to navdata and ATC now and then.  Sometimes two things are truly in conflict, in a way that can't really be solved to mutual satisfaction, at least not within the bounds of time and resources available.   For those you have to make a judgement call and accept that some people won't be as happy as others.

It's tough, but it's also the kind of quandary that is part of a professional developer's job on a regular basis.  The best you can do is the best you can do, and hopefully you get it right more often than not.

But you can't please all the people all the time, and so forth.  🙂

 

 

Edited June 17, 20214 yr by kaosfere

5 hours ago, Andreas Stangenes said:

The SDK was much more advanced and competent than what we were lead to believe by the complaints from 3PD. It was just written in a different programming language, so the 3PD would have to learn to program in that new way to make use of it. Also, I do belive that the manuals for the SDK was very limited, so it was difficult for them to utilize it. I am losely paraphrasing Matt Nischan here 🙂

And doing so fairly accurately. 🙂   Now, to be fair, there are some limitations in the current SDK.   Some of those are holes due to missing features, others are limitations due to the design decisions made regarding how the sim was going to be built and work.  But, I would wager that it's complete enough to support most things that the vast majority of users, even serious ones, care about.  And I think the public statements, and actions, from PMDG strongly support that suggestion.

At this point, I feel like the most visibly fervent of the complainers who actually know what they are talking about, and are not just people parroting the "common knowledge" because it suits their own personal prejudices, are those who are bumping up against one or another of the legitimate limitations of the current SDK in a way that hinders their own personal use case.

Some of those developers deal with the situation rationally, and are able to see the good in the sim and understand their place in things at the same time as they are legitimately frustrated with their own individual problems.  Others have decided instead to bear personal grudges against people involved, attack the sim and everything around it, insinuate that anyone who disagrees with them has no idea what they're talking about, and then tout their own experience and ability as evidence of their superiority as though it makes them automatically correct and immune to all criticism.

And, honestly, those people are best left ignored.  While they're ranting and raving about what they can't do and how broken the game is, other people are figuring out ways to make it work and eating their lunch.

 

Edited June 17, 20214 yr by kaosfere

21 minutes ago, AviatorMan said:

I have the P3D DC-6B and it has the AFE. I don't think there was an FSX version of the aircraft.

as in a pantomime, "oh yes there is".

The DC6 has had the AFE included in all versions. 

A noteable other addon that had this was the Concorde from FSLabs for FSX and P3D. 

Edited June 17, 20214 yr by Andreas Stangenes

First thank you to everyone.  I will be purchasing the PMDG-DC6 

A quick short story if I may from my days in RAF MT ( motor transport) I was a duty chauffeur for the VIP Johnny Johnson 

Princess Margret came to RAF Wittering to scramble 6 Vulcans they were on there pans engine on idle. She pressed the Scramble button 6 land rovers with the crews onboard raced to there aircraft and were gone . The noise and that sight is still with me today unbelievable . An other thing we saw at RAF Wittering but weren't allowed to speak about. Vulcan crews returning to Wittering from low level flying exercise in Canada's  goose bay loaded with Fresh whole Salmon Mmmmm

Take care everyone and thanks again

This is going to be an interesting and exciting release, but I will be interested in reading some feedback about the performance.

Edited June 17, 20214 yr by Rockliffe

2 hours ago, Andreas Stangenes said:

The DC6 has had the AFE included in all versions. 

A noteable other addon that had this was the Concorde from FSLabs for FSX and P3D. 

A2A Connie.