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Waiting to hear the first reports of FSX and VISTA

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I'm waiting anxiously to hear some reports from forum users who bought VISTA yesterday or today....and then "fired up FSX"!I'm sure the reports will soon be plentiful, but I'm absolutely looking forward to threads on the subject. Please talk about how your computer system is configured and whether you bought Basic, Home Premium, or Ultimate Vista versions.

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I've been running vista since november with vnidia's 79xx series drivers on 2 different systems and fsx runs terribly along with fs9. Both run at 50-75% of the speed as they do in xp. I hope nvidia pulls something out of their rear ends when they release the new drivers today or else a lot of us will not be upgrading. I will probably install vista on a spare drive this weekend on my main machine below to check out the 8800 performance but i am not holding my breath judging by the driver quality that i have seen so far from nvidia. Make sure that you keep a copy of your old OS or install to a totally different drive if you do it.________________________________________________________________________________________________Intel D975XBX2 'Bad Axe 2' | Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 @ 3.20Ghz | 2 GB Super Talent DDR2 800 @ 893Mhz | Big Typhoon VX | eVGA 8800GTS @ 575/900 | Seagate 2x 320GB SATA RAID-0 | OCZ GameXStream 700W | Creative X-Fi | Silverstone TJ-09BW | Matrox Triplehead Setup

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I got and installed Vista Ultimate on my laptop (HP dv5020) yesterday night. The install and configuration worked like a charm and I am totally impressed by the performance (and the looks). Vista "feels" more fluid and much more responsive than my previous XP installations. The GUI is much more intuitive and it "just works".My biggest complaint about Vista right now is the lack of 3rd party drivers. For example, my laptop's integrated audio has no driver available. I just chatted with HP and the ETA is "Mid-March". What?As for my desktop: I will install Vista tomorrow (waiting for a spare HDD) and start testing FSX. All my essential hardware is supposed to be supported, with the exception of my Logitech devices and TrackIR.Pat

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Great one Bill and very true... :-beerchug I just wish at times Microsoft wasn't the publisher of Flight Simulator. Maybe then we could get it for OS X and be done with it (it most likely would perform better as well). Problem is Flight Simulator wouldn't be where it is today with any other publisher outside of Apple themselves.

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Are you seeing a large jump in CPU or Ram usage? I've heard it's a resource drain.Dave

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Idle CPU usage is about 10% lower, RAM usage about 20% higher here.Pat

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>As for my desktop: I will install Vista tomorrow (waiting for>a spare HDD) and start testing FSX. All my essential hardware>is supposed to be supported, with the exception of my Logitech>devices and TrackIR.>>PatIf your installing the 32-bit version of Vista, try using the 4.1.030 version of the TrackIR software...

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Both Nvidia and ATI have knocked out new Vista driver releases today so hopefully they will take things closer to final retail performance.I'm not really across the Vista/MSFSX issues but my reading so far suggests that the Radeon drivers are delivering improved performance (in benchmarks, at least) on Vista whereas Nvidia drivers are still delivering lower performance than that seen on XP. Today's releases may change that, of course.As i have an ATI 1950X, i'm getting more and more prepared to switch to Vista but will wait a few more weeks until i've developed a firm view about performance. I've seen Vista's GUI at work and I really liked the look and feel and am happy to hear that Vista suspends Aero when you run another 3d application, thus eliminating it as a resource drain while you're playing/simming.

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Nvidia's drivers still don't fix the problems in vista for my 7900gt. Still getting green and blue flashing lines most of the time when i run games. At this point there is no way i am installing vista on my core2 machine with their drivers in this state. The drivers are out but they don't work on my old machine at all. I just wonder how the dells and gateways can ship vista game machines to people if there are no working drivers from nvidia? This is a pretty big problem. Apparently this problem will affect anyone with a 7900gt or a 7950gt running vista.

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"I've seen Vista's GUI at work and I really liked the look and feel ..."Just curious... What was wrong with the XP look-and-feel ??(or for that matter; the Window98 look-and-feel ?? )To me, any change in an OperatingSystem look-and-feel is just another nucance I have to learn; after all, I'm not interrested at all in how an OS (or it's "desktop") looks like, just how its applications (like FS) run on it.Which explains why I, and probably many flightsimmers with a little common sense, have no interrest whatsoever in this Vista hype for the time being.But that's just my opinion :-)Rob

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I like the whole look and feel conversation. On XP I run the classic start menu, no themes, no desktop image, my computer advanced properties are set to performance which basically shuts off all the bells and whistles. I want my OS to RUN applications. It doesn't need to BE an application. I don't need my computing to be an experience. Just personal preference. To each his own. etc.

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>I want my OS to RUN>applications. It doesn't need to BE an application. I don't>need my computing to be an experience. >>Just personal preference. To each his own. etc. LOL! I would be delighted to simply have a simple menu system similar to the one I used running DOS 3.11...1) Wordperfect2) FSX3) Photoshop CS24) Max 85) GMax 1.2etc.Simple, uncluttered and as "intuitive" as all get out! ;)

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>"I've seen Vista's GUI at work and I really liked the look>and feel ...">>Just curious... What was wrong with the XP look-and-feel ??>(or for that matter; the Window98 look-and-feel ?? )>>To me, any change in an OperatingSystem look-and-feel is just>another nucance I have to learn; after all, I'm not>interrested at all in how an OS (or it's "desktop") looks>like, just how its applications (like FS) run on it.>>Which explains why I, and probably many flightsimmers with a>little common sense, have no interrest whatsoever in this>Vista hype for the time being.>But that's just my opinion :-)>>>RobGood question :-) I've always run classic on XP because i wanted to minimise resource drain and because i just plain didn't like the XP-style. However, having fiddled with Vista on a friend's machine I think I'd be prepared to take a resource hit simply because I really liked its look and feel. It just felt more polished to me (compared to XP, which I always found ugly and a severe CPU and RAM drain). Plus, reports I have read suggest that the resource hit from a fully functional Vista GUI is nowhere near as big as that when running the fully-blown XP GUI.It's definitely a personal preference but I admit there's every posssibility i'll get sick of it, switch back to classic and wonder why the #### I upgraded in the first place :-) However, my gaming box is also my work machine so a little prettiness will go a long way during those long, boring days writing dull reports for demanding clients.Anyway, won't be going Vista till I know its rock-solid, all my peripheral drivers are optimised and my favourite sims/games won't be impacted.

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>"I've seen Vista's GUI at work and I really liked the look>and feel ...">>Just curious... What was wrong with the XP look-and-feel ??>(or for that matter; the Window98 look-and-feel ?? )>>To me, any change in an OperatingSystem look-and-feel is just>another nucance I have to learn; after all, I'm not>interrested at all in how an OS (or it's "desktop") looks>like, just how its applications (like FS) run on it.>>Which explains why I, and probably many flightsimmers with a>little common sense, have no interrest whatsoever in this>Vista hype for the time being.>But that's just my opinion :-)>>>RobI too run the classic interface since win95. The only visible difference between my old windows machines and my XP pro machine is XP doesn't need to be rebooted 10 times a day.Why anyone would want to rush out and put an unproven operating system with an unfamiliar user interface on the system they depend on heavily for email and daily business is totally beyond me. I think I will wait a while... maybe a really good while.Ron

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If you think XP is a "severe CPU and RAM drain" you'll have a big shock coming when you first load Vista.Doug

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Hi All:I also use the "Windows Classic" user interface "theme" on all my Win XP systems.I have not used Vista yet, and I have not been able to find any info on this elsewhere so far: if one turns off the "3D Aeroglass" UI in Vista, is the "Windows Classic" UI or its equivalent still available as a choice under Vista?And if it is available, when selected, how much of a perceptible change in system performance improvement does it bring with or without FSX running?Thanks very much for any first hand experience anyone would share on this. :-) GaryGB

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>And if it is available, when selected, how much of a>perceptible change in system performance improvement does it>bring with or without FSX running?From experience, I've seen (zero) change in performance with Aero turned on vs. the Classic (non-Aero) themes. That is both in the OS GUI itself, and in any games or applications.This experience is backed up with various internet tests which demonstrate generally the same thing. There may be some FPS-zealots who find 1 or 2 frames +/- difference, but they are functionally identical. -Greg

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Thanks Greg!Ouch... that doesn't bode too well for those without lots of machine power to ofset the hit from the bloated infrastructure foisted upon us by the Vista OS itself! :-eek GaryGB

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