All of this is nothing to do with the original topic, but even if it was, who cares what the Smithsonian Institute agreed to? It's not the arbiter of aviation records for the planet, that's the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale.

14 hours ago, urthgental said:

Maybe some commenters should be fired for incompetence here?(!)

Um, possibly more likely incontinence...

3 hours ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

 

There is also the new post-modern/deconstruction sort of Jacques Derrida based truth common in modern politics which basically translates to the "the truth is what I believe it to be" . 

Though of course Derrida was talking about how the meaning of literature and art must take into account (or is even entirely derived from) the reader/viewer and was not really claiming physical facts about the real world can change based on the political views of the individual.

 

Would love to discuss your comment but I don't want to go off-topic.

The nice thing about flight is that it based on the laws of physics as agreed by all today. It's apolitical and does not depend on perception, interpretation, or other skills. The result is strictly binary. Either the plane will fly or it will not. 🙂

Getting back to the Ju-52, does anyone know if it will come with ski's and floats. like the Husky did? 
Asobo seem to like pushing their 'fly anywhere' theme now, so there might be a chance, and this thing taking off from water would be a blast! 

As for the other item discussed in this thread...  Everyone knows it was Icarus.  My mate, 'tin-foil hat', told me, so it must be true - game over!

I'm looking for details like those available in the IL-2 version:

Learn to fly the Junkers 52/3m g4e - YouTube

1 hour ago, bobcat999 said:

Getting back to the Ju-52, does anyone know if it will come with ski's and floats. like the Husky did? 
Asobo seem to like pushing their 'fly anywhere' theme now, so there might be a chance, and this thing taking off from water would be a blast! 

As for the other item discussed in this thread...  Everyone knows it was Icarus.  My mate, 'tin-foil hat', told me, so it must be true - game over!

Not only that, Icarus' aeroplanes was (briefly) the world's first solar powered aeroplane too. 🤣 Somebody call the F.A.I.

On the subject of the F.A.I. fun fact of the day: One of the most unusual variants of the Junkers 52 was a special order VIP version of it - designated the Ju 52 3mba - which was built in 1931 for the then-president of the F.A.I - Romanian Prince, Gheorghe Bibescu - it was powered by a 750hp Hispano-Suiza 12MB engine in the nose and two Hispano-Suiza 12ND 567hp engines on the wings, which made it one of the fastest Ju52s built.

Like yourself, I am hoping they do a floatplane version of it; since there were quite a few of these produced in real life.

10 hours ago, Chock said:

who cares what the Smithsonian Institute agreed to

you obviously don't, we get it. The Smithsonian Institution — as the world’s largest museum, education and research complex with 28 Mio visitors per year, of which over 6 Mio in the National Air and Space Museum alone, considered a major authority in its field, plays a great role in "the increase and diffusion of knowledge", even more than this forum 😊. instead of arguing  any further, those who are interested in this fascinating chapter of aviation history and how science is sometimes abused for claim to fame, how the Smithsonian Institute volunteered in making "history by contract",   they may find more info, beyond "the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale", Fox News or the London Science Museum, all irrelevant in this case, here:

https://historybycontract.org/

Edited September 9, 20214 yr by turbomax

23 hours ago, bobcat999 said:

There was talk last month about the Asobo crew being demoralised by the response after SU5

The Asobo Crew should have been left in no doubt as to the state of SU5 before release by the data coming out of beta testing programme.

If there's anyone who should be earning their ire it should be their management and MS's management that forced them to release the update is such an appalling state not paying customers who were rightly disappointed with the product that was delivered.

Edited September 9, 20214 yr by Matchstick

1 minute ago, turbomax said:

you obviously don't, we get it. The Smithsonian Institution — as the world’s largest museum and research complex with its 28 Mio visitors per year, of which over 6 Mio in the National Air and Space Museum alone, plays a major role for "the increase and diffusion of knowledge", even more than this forum 😊. instead of arguing  any further, those who are interested in this fascinating chapter of aviation history and how science is sometimes abused for claim to fame, they may find more info, beyond "the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale" here:

https://historybycontract.org/

You've already admitted that the Smithsonian agreed to perpetuate the myth that the Wright Brothers got there first for the aggrandisement of their own museum. Now you claim that they 'play a major role for "the increase and diffusion of knowledge". Are you for them or against them? 

37 minutes ago, turbomax said:

you obviously don't, we get it. The Smithsonian Institution — as the world’s largest museum and research complex with its 28 Mio visitors per year, of which over 6 Mio in the National Air and Space Museum alone, plays a major role for "the increase and diffusion of knowledge", even more than this forum

Hang on a minute, earlier in this thread you were complaining about the Smithsonian falsifying history with a secret treaty, but now they're back to being the pantheon of educational truth, after I point out that it's the FAI which controls records and such? Make your mind up. 🤣

31 minutes ago, 6297J said:

Now you claim that they 'play a major role for "the increase and diffusion of knowledge"

no, I was quoting their very own mission statement.

1 hour ago, Chock said:

back to being the pantheon of educational truth,

I don't claim that, it is a quote of their very own mission statement. that's why their role in this case as the largest Science museum, to volunteer to suppress historic important facts re. first powered flight, is considered highly questionable, to put it mildly. the public expects them to do the opposite: discover rather than conceal and suppress.

Edited September 9, 20214 yr by turbomax

Have you guys heard about the Time Cube? 😄