For everyone's sanity, I think y'all could safely cut back the wild speculation a bit. 🙂   It's a topic it would be inappropriate for me to give any details on, but for the sake of keeping control of the rumor mill, I'll just note it's nothing as dramatic as folks are thinking here, and it's not any sort of reaction to the update.    And that's about all I'm comfortable saying.   I hate being so vague, but hopefully y'all understand why I can't/won't say more. 🙂

Just wanted to get that out there, since people are already talking about potential firings or death.

I had great hope for this aircraft.

Any word on the AH DC-3? 

That would console me...

By the way, Berlin looks great now even on my baseline machine 30 - 40 fps. I love that they were able to clear all the pixel rubble from the buildings and monuments.

Edited September 8, 20214 yr by dobee51

5 hours ago, MarcG said:

I'm not here to sit with my head buried in the sand and pretend everything is rosey, when silly little errors and blatant issues aren't dealt with prior to an update I'll shout about as it's my given right after buying a product that's supposed to work correctly.

Definition of "Entitled"

5 hours ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

hmmm ...

Well this thread is better than the main forums where they basically rant about how it is disgusting that Asobo would produce a model of an aircraft used by an evil regime bent on world domination and genocide to murder babies  ....

did you mean the B29s, Enola Gay?

16 minutes ago, Bert Pieke said:

Definition of "Entitled"

Entitled to have a product that works correctly? Yes thank you

5 hours ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

hmmm ...

Well this thread is better than the main forums where they basically rant about how it is disgusting that Asobo would produce a model of an aircraft used by an evil regime bent on world domination and genocide to murder babies  ....

True story: Some years ago in pre-P3D FSX days I was an avid contributor here in the AvSim Screenshots forum.  I used FS Recorder to create flights of multiple aircraft using the Playback as AI feature to painstakingly generate hand-flown formation flights of 3 to 4 aircraft.  When a REALLY NICE Fokker Dr.I came out, I got some breathtaking (if I do say so myself) screenies of a Dawn Patrol flight of Fokker Triplanes in different liveries.

Some time after posting them and getting some nice responses I started getting PM'd by a member here complaining about the "N@zti" content.  No matter that these were WWI aircraft with iron crosses and not that other symbol.  And keeping in mind there were several Jewish German WWI aces.  After giving this person the facts I thought about it and asked a mod to take them down anyway given that it was best to avoid any misunderstandings from others that might stoke such ugly and uninformed thinking.  Goes against the spirit of creating content as I see it.

So this stuff happens all over including the "better" websites, unfortunately.

 

5 hours ago, Chock said:

a few years after the Wright Bros made their first heavier than air powered flight

you mean 2 years after aviation pioneer German Gustave Whitehead's (original name Gustav Weiskopf) first flight in August 1901?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustave_Whitehead

https://daten2.verwaltungsportal.de/dateien/seitengenerator/neu.png

and since you seem interested in aviation history:

First successful, controlled powered flight in history
August 14, 1901 ● Gustav Albin Weisskopf 

"And so it happened that the brothers Orville and Wilbur Wright were considered to be the first motorized pilots for decades, although they had only covered distances between 37 and 260 meters with their flying machine called 'Flyer' 855 days after Gustav Weisskopf's pioneering flight"

https://www.weisskopf.de/

"Aviation is born
In the early morning hours of August 14, 1901, Gustav Weisskopf, born in Leutershausen near Ansbach in Central Franconia, wrote aviation history. In a field outside of Fairfield in the US state of Connecticut, he took off with his self-made flying machine "No. 21", which he had given the name 'Condor', on the first successful motor-powered flight in history. His flying machine, powered by motors he built himself, carried him up to a height of about 15 meters. After half a mile (800 m), he landed his aircraft smoothly and undamaged. He made four flights that day, the farthest being a mile and a half.
The local newspapers reported the incident on the following days. Weisskopf himself was always dissatisfied with his flights: “None of the flights are good because they don't last long enough. We can't go anywhere yet. Flying will only become meaningful if we can fly anywhere at any time. "

Edited September 8, 20214 yr by turbomax

15 minutes ago, turbomax said:

you mean 2 years after aviation pioneer German Gustave Whitehead's (original name Gustav Weiskopf) first flight in August 1901?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustave_Whitehead

https://daten2.verwaltungsportal.de/dateien/seitengenerator/neu.png

and since you seem interested in aviation history:

First successful, controlled powered flight in history
August 14, 1901 ● Gustav Albin Weisskopf 

"And so it happened that the brothers Orville and Wilbur Wright were considered to be the first motorized pilots for decades, although they had only covered distances between 37 and 260 meters with their flying machine called 'Flyer' 855 days after Gustav Weisskopf's pioneering flight"

https://www.weisskopf.de/

"Aviation is born
In the early morning hours of August 14, 1901, Gustav Weisskopf, born in Leutershausen near Ansbach in Central Franconia, wrote aviation history. In a field outside of Fairfield in the US state of Connecticut, he took off with his self-made flying machine "No. 21", which he had given the name 'Condor', on the first successful motor-powered flight in history. His flying machine, powered by motors he built himself, carried him up to a height of about 15 meters. After half a mile (800 m), he landed his aircraft smoothly and undamaged. He made four flights that day, the farthest being a mile and a half.
The local newspapers reported the incident on the following days. Weisskopf himself was always dissatisfied with his flights: “None of the flights are good because they don't last long enough. We can't go anywhere yet. Flying will only become meaningful if we can fly anywhere at any time. "

Waitaminit I always heard it was the Russians that had the first powered flight....

😄

 

Perhaps there were people who flew before Wright brothers. However, Wright brothers were the first one who "video documented" it!

 

So I fly my DC-6,  and my Grumman Goose instead.  No problemo.

9 hours ago, MarcG said:

Perhaps, but if I had been constantly introducing new issues and not learning from my mistakes for over a year in my job then I'd be fired.

This is no different, nothing is being learnt from past mistakes, schoolboy errors are still happening, this ship needs a new Captain or the whole of the Head Of Development team/personnel need a slap on the wrists from the management!

Bovine Scatology,  I say.

9 minutes ago, Waldo Pepper said:

Bovine Scatology,  I say.

If you knew my boss you wouldn't be saying that 😉

1 hour ago, turbomax said:

you mean 2 years after aviation pioneer German Gustave Whitehead's (original name Gustav Weiskopf) first flight in August 1901?

From your own link,

 "An" eye witness report? 

Quote

Controversy surrounds published accounts and Whitehead's own claims that he flew a powered machine successfully several times in 1901 and 1902, predating the first flights by the Wright Brothers in 1903.

Much of Whitehead's reputation rests on a newspaper article which was written as an eyewitness report and describes his powered and sustained flight in Connecticut on 14 August 1901. Over a hundred newspapers in the U.S. and around the world soon repeated information from the article. Several local newspapers also reported on other flight experiments that Whitehead made in 1901 and subsequent years.^[1] Whitehead's aircraft designs and experiments were described or mentioned in Scientific American articles and a 1904 book about industrial progress. His public profile faded after about 1915, however, and he died in relative obscurity in 1927.

According to an affidavit given in 1934 by Louis Darvarich, a friend of Whitehead, the two men made a motorized flight of about half a mile in Pittsburgh's Schenley Park in April or May 1899. Darvarich said they flew at a height of 20 to 25 ft (6.1 to 7.6 m) in a steam-powered monoplane aircraft and crashed into a brick building. Darvarich said he was stoking the aircraft's boiler aboard the craft and was badly scalded in the accident, requiring several weeks in a hospital.^[8]

Color me skeptic.  I do not believe they had a functional steam powered aircraft with a boiler that needed stoking.   I doubt they had an airfoil that could lift such an engine,  it's boiler,  and two men.   I doubt that they could build such an engine with sufficient power to weight ratio.    Sound incredulous to me.

Then again,  I really don't care who invented it.  I'm glad that it was invented.

2 hours ago, MarcG said:

Entitled to have a product that works correctly? Yes thank you

I hope you're not confusing correctly with perfectly. Nothing will be perfect in software produced for entertaining millions sold at consumer prices.

10 minutes ago, Waldo Pepper said:

From your own link,

 "An" eye witness report? 

Color me skeptic.  I do not believe they had a functional steam powered aircraft with a boiler that needed stoking.   I doubt they had an airfoil that could lift such an engine,  it's boiler,  and two men.   I doubt that they could build such an engine with sufficient power to weight ratio.    Sound incredulous to me.

Then again,  I really don't care who invented it.  I'm glad that it was invented.

Good point. Me too. Eye witness report regardless of how many times it's repeated doesn't make it so.

Because what is truth? There are 4 kinds.

1. Hearsay - weakest truth 
2. Empirical - based on personal sense experience
3. Deduced - logical eg. math, the sum is always greater than it's part. 
4. Real - all of the above.