1 minute ago, Mace said:

I think those guys have a point about tweaking syndrome...BUT...the saving grace is that we have presets (Ultra / High / Medium etc.) so those who don't want to endlessly tweak these myriad of sliders, do not have to do so.

I might be nice to have a basic graphics dialog (with a master preset slider only), so that the huge slider dialogs aren't evident during normal use, and then an advanced graphics settings dialog which can be accessed.

A very reasonable and sensible suggestion. A good compromise.

Maybe I am complicating this then.  Your suggestion would possibly be for graphical detail then if I am reading it right.

So maybe the 'comfort' settings, gamma, eye adaptation etc. should be separated, as the high / medium settings etc. wouldn't be appropriate to adjust these things.

5 minutes ago, steve310002 said:

Ray tracing for better water reflections and better lighting/shadows.

Hopefully that will come.  One for the future maybe when they start enhancing with DX12.  I believe titles like Cybepunk have menu settings where this can be adjusted on the fly, to suit peoples preference and levels of PC performance, so it is possible.

Edited September 12, 20214 yr by bobcat999

I would really like to have adjustments to fine tune and customize the lighting. Such as size, bloom, color, intensity, etc. And vegetation sliders like we had in FSX/P3D.

18 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

I get it.  But would you concede that simple things like adjusting gamma or eye adaption off (which some people seem to hate) would be alright?

If you know what you’re doing, probably.

But the issue is that some…many…most people don’t know how to adjust, and wouldn’t know the very subtle differences anyway. 🙂

4 minutes ago, neil0311 said:

If you know what you’re doing, probably.

But the issue is that some…many…most people don’t know how to adjust, and wouldn’t know the very subtle differences anyway. 🙂

That is always a danger.  I sometimes think people should have to pass a multiple choice test before they are allowed into the settings menu! 

Remember the early green sky issues when people were turning off TAA because they thought FXAA was better?  Actually, I suppose some settings (such as this one mentioned) could be removed as they cause problems.

2 hours ago, bobcat999 said:

What are your thoughts?

No thought really, the only slider I want is no slider at all 😄. Been there, done that for years  and have the fingers all worn out. A sim beautiful without me doing any tuning.

I hear you telling me wake up Dominique, time to be serious ! Well,...

Concerning my graphic gripes, I'd appreciate a better programming on their side instead  f them offloading the job on me with sliders left and right :

- the shrinking LOD and not only for vegetation, for all autogen and imagery too.  A slider  ? Why don't they simply bring back the LOD before WU2  ? 

- the overexposure. It was in the sim since the beginning. Got worse with SU5. Do we really need to tune the whites, the blacks, the gamma, the whatnot ? Having done this with Nvdia filters, since SU5, i find it a bit tedious, with so so results. This is something we shouldn't have to tune.

Special mention for the eye adaptation gimmick. I am no fan of it in any sim.  But I could live with it if it didn't  blanch out  the outside above a certain horizontal threshold. What we need is not a slider but a little common sense in the programming. Less intense, more progressive and .... a switch to kill it.

- The blue haze very often overwhelming the ground when flying high.  Why blue ? To hide the LOD reduction ?

PS to be taken of course with a pinch of salt but I know you have the salt ready close to you  Bobcat

 

Edited September 12, 20214 yr by Dominique_K

17 minutes ago, Dominique_K said:

No thought really, the only slider I want is no slider at all 😄. Been there, done that for years  and have the fingers all worn out. A sim beautiful without me doing any tuning.

I hear you telling me wake up Dominique, time to be serious ! Well,...

Concerning my graphic gripes, I'd appreciate a better programming on their side instead  f them offloading the job on me with sliders left and right :

- the shrinking LOD and not only for vegetation, for all autogen and imagery too.  A slider  ? Why don't they simply bring back the LOD before WU2  ? 

- the overexposure. It was in the sim since the beginning. Got worse with SU5. Do we really need to tune the whites, the blacks, the gamma, the whatnot ? Having done this with Nvdia filters, since SU5, i find it a bit tedious, with so so results. This is something we shouldn't have to tune.

Special mention for the eye adaptation gimmick. I am no fan of it in any sim.  But I could live with it if it didn't  blanch out  the outside above a certain horizontal threshold. What we need is not a slider but a little common sense in the programming. Less intense, more progressive and .... a switch to kill it.

- The blue haze very often overwhelming the ground when flying high.  Why blue ? To hide the LOD reduction ?

PS to be taken of course with a pinch of salt but I know you have the salt ready close to you  Bobcat

I love reading your posts! 

In amongst all that is actually a valid point of view and a lot of common sense! 

True about the blue haze as you get higher (do they call it Rayleigh scattering?).

The trouble with this is that I have seen it vary quite a lot day to day when flying on airliners at cruising altitude (30,000+ feet).
So maybe it is difficult to standardise this and may actually be due to varying haze / pollution levels due to the prevailing atmospheric conditions, so I don't know what they can do about this. 
Although I believe there was a third party adjustment tool for P3D that could adjust this (and other settings) at one stage, so it must be a valid thing some people want to adjust.

[word not allowed it!  I just knocked my salt pot over!  ]

Edited September 12, 20214 yr by bobcat999

One one slider required. 

Screenshot mode --------------------Realistic mode

QED

1 minute ago, saifs said:

One one slider required. 

Screenshot mode --------------------Realistic mode

QED

Interesting!  Can you expand on this?  Are you on about some of the effects like bloom, which some people think are overdone?

I would just like to fly in the most realistic environment as possible without me having to tweak stuff because I don't really know what a realistic sky or water looks like at 30k feet given the atmospheric conditions at the time , or how far off you can see trees and buildings or how much haze there should be or what the lighting should look like or how bright the clouds need to be. 

I tried tweaking stuff with xvision/lua scripts and shaders and what not in xplane11 and god did I royally mess up stuff. 

I want msfs to do all this stuff automatically for me and give me the most realistic flying environment possible after taking all the environmental factors into account which actually exist at that exact time I'm flying. Manual configurable sliders just set the scene in stone for every flight - which is not very realistic imho. E.g If the sky is super bright one day in real life, then so be it in the sim too, why spoil it by reducing the brightness 

When you do want to take beautifully color corrected, well saturated perfect screenshots, just crank the slider all the way left! Otherwise keep it on the right while flying, happy with the thought that you're flying in a virtual world which is exactly as it exists. 

Wishful thinking I know, but that should be the end game I believe. 

Edited September 12, 20214 yr by saifs

2 hours ago, bobcat999 said:

That is a top one for me.  Even just for night time adjustemet when I dont want to scorch my eyes. I know you can do this from most monitors, but my little joystick around the back of the monitor and on screen menu are a bit 'clunky' to use. 

This is the sort of setting that fills me with dread as a developer because I know that some of my audience will have already done this on their monitor settings,  some will "get it" from day 1 and a number will just not even realise it's there and scream that the settings are "word not allowed"

If I set this as a new setting at say 50% all...  it will look completely different on people who have setup their monitor and those who haven't.  It would probably have to have different sets of sliders for HDR and SDR as well, and also for VR.

I'm not saying it's a bad idea, I'm just trying to determine how it would be best to do it so that it doesn't "force" you to play with it before it's acceptable 🙂

I guess my concern is always how to add opportunity to tweak with a neutral approach that doesn't need to be changed if yoiu don't want to and as always..  the is there enough demand for this to divert programmers from other things they are doing to support it 🙂

Absolutely not trying to denigrate the idea,  just trying to work out how it could work effectively.

Graham

Edited September 12, 20214 yr by Moria15

I would like an Ali Landry option please.

Wouldn't a better term be "Profile(s)", like what is provided for Controls settings? 

I can foresee that they could be quite useful if and when we get aircraft with more systems depth, additional improved avionics like the NXi, 3rd party weather engines that provide weather that is more current and accurate, 3rd party cloud textures, and so on.  So allow me to set up a graphics settings profile for (my names here) "HQ AC Urban WX" for higher graphics load situations like HQ aircraft flying into major cities with clouds and air and ground traffic; and then perhaps another such as "Simple AC Cross no WX" for flying a default quality airplane cross country in a light weather situation.  Just a couple of what-if examples.

31 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

effects like bloom, which some people think are overdone?

I don't find bloom overdone but then I hardly fly at night. For psychological reasons, for me, bloom must always be on. I could never switch it on in fsx because of the huge performance hit, but in msfs, I can so I do 🤣

Besides, the sun looks like a huge round yellow football with it off. 

11 minutes ago, Stoopy said:

I would like an Ali Landry option please.

Don't you think that the Landry option is already largely used and abused on this forum 😄 ?