Asobo/MSFS need to fix the code base…

[styckx 1,871]

3 pages of people who don't have access to the code or would know how to interpret it, playing armchair software engineer 

[Chock 17,769]

Further to my observation about never having had a problem with AMD GPUs for flight simming, for those into flight sims who think an AMD component is not a good idea for a flight sim, and particularly given that Asobo is developing a sim which is geared toward working on an XBox as well as a PC, it's probably worth noting that, with the exception of the very first XBox, which was released back in 2001 and which had an NVidia GForce 3 GPU in it, every subsequent XBox - including the current one - has had an AMD GPU. And, with the exception of the first two iterations, which had IBM/Intel CPUs, every subsequent XBox has also had an AMD CPU in it as well.

I do tend to prefer Intel CPUs though, having once had an AMD CPU which wasn't really to my liking. In the end, it's up to the person themselves which components they go with, but the idea that AMD stuff is not a good choice for flight simming or other high-end visual PC stuff, is utter nonsense, and it would seem to me from the above data, that at the very least, the publisher of MSFS would appear to concur with that.

Personally, I'm still fairly convinced that when people say there is a problem with some software running on their PC, the problem is invariably the peripheral which interfaces with the mouse and the keyboard.

Edited September 20, 2021 by Chock

[bobcat999 8,477]

9 minutes ago, styckx said:

3 pages of people who don't have access to the code or would know how to interpret it, playing armchair software engineer 

Well four pages now!    But that is like saying, 'if you have never run an Airline yourself, don't complain about how you are treated on the plane'. 

We can't all be experts, but some things are obvious, and when Asobo themselves say they need to fix the CTD's and regressions, are we to disagree with them? 
There is a list 'under investigation' in their own snapshots, and plenty of communication on the official forum about issues.  

Are these not issues with the 'code' then?  In your opinion, how do the regressions occur, out of interest?

[fogboundturtle 2,708]

8 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

Well four pages now!    But that is like saying, 'if you have never run an Airline yourself, don't complain about how you are treated on the plane'. 

We can't all be experts, but some things are obvious, and when Asobo themselves say they need to fix the CTD's and regressions, are we to disagree with them? 
There is a list 'under investigation' in their own snapshots, and plenty of communication on the official forum about issues.  

Are these not issues with the 'code' then?  In your opinion, how do the regressions occur, out of interest?

With all do respect, There is a lot of pc configuration out there that were never stressed to the point MSFS does. Nothing like a flight simulation to show you the flaws on your configuration.  Personally I almost never have any CTD and the only time I had one , it was due to a mods. It doesn't mean there isn't some bug out there that cause CTD but I've flew 6 hour straight, not 1 crash. 

[styckx 1,871]

10 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

Well four pages now!    But that is like saying, 'if you have never run an Airline yourself, don't complain about how you are treated on the plane'. 

We can't all be experts, but some things are obvious, and when Asobo themselves say they need to fix the CTD's and regressions, are we to disagree with them? 
There is a list 'under investigation' in their own snapshots, and plenty of communication on the official forum about issues.  

Are these not issues with the 'code' then?  In your opinion, how do the regressions occur, out of interest?

Bobcat, love ya, you're a good poster. It's just tiring coming to this forum everyday and seeing what the daily new threads are and it's usually moaning, groaning, redundant topics. With the occasional great topic that regresses into  the same old "I'm the main character now" topic change 2 pages into the thread

I'm tired, grouchy, and overworked. Don't mind me. AVSIM will never change, it has a weird charm of it's own weird trends

[RobJC 2,069]

When bugs get fixed, broken again, fixed again and then broken again…any software developer will tell you there is a problem with how the code base is being managed. And as a software developer for over 20 years, i have seen a lot of code and these type problems stem from problems in the way the code was written, managed, or both. 

I suspect a lot of these crashes are also related to moving core parts of the software into different threads. 

[bobcat999 8,477]

@fogboundturtle @styckx  Guys - sure, I get it. You are both good posters yourselves, but don't mind us, or let our discussion get you down. 
For wrong or right, it is just a few people trying to figure things out and work through the frustration.

All of us are here because we want the sim to get even better, we just have different ways of showing it maybe.  

[Noel 4,499]

10 hours ago, Funky D said:

...to be fair, Nvidia cards have had their fair share of issues, mostly due to board partners cutting corners to try and meet MSRP targets

this is why I always buy the Founders Edition versions.  In my 'n of one' I've yet to have any issues ever for the 3 Nv cards I bought, and still own over 10y later!

[Noel 4,499]

1 hour ago, fogboundturtle said:

With all do respect, There is a lot of pc configuration out there that were never stressed to the point MSFS does. Nothing like a flight simulation to show you the flaws on your configuration.

Umm, quite frankly P3D 4.5x stresses my hardware far more than MSFS ever has.

[RobJC 2,069]

6 minutes ago, Noel said:

Umm, quite frankly P3D 4.5x stresses my hardware far more than MSFS ever has.

Exactly. My GPU is using less than 3GB of VRAM and maybe 7 GB of RAM (out of 32). When these crashes occur my system isn't even under load. 

[Noel 4,499]

1 minute ago, RobJC said:

Exactly. My GPU is using less than 3GB of VRAM and maybe 7 GB of RAM (out of 32). When these crashes occur my system isn't even under load. 

Where the heck are you seeing only 3Gb of VRAM in use?  I do a mix of somewhat rural flying in the Citation L and the mimimum is maybe 5.8Gb, and when I'm in the 787-10 in somewhere like KLAX, KSEA I'll be seeing 10.5Gb.   This of course all happened w/ WU6 w/ its panning cache control.

[RobJC 2,069]

5 minutes ago, Noel said:

Where the heck are you seeing only 3Gb of VRAM in use?  I do a mix of somewhat rural flying in the Citation L and the mimimum is maybe 5.8Gb, and when I'm in the 787-10 in somewhere like KLAX, KSEA I'll be seeing 10.5Gb.   This of course all happened w/ WU6 w/ its panning cache control.

I will take a screenshot. Pretty much everywhere I fly. 

[fogboundturtle 2,708]

1 hour ago, bobcat999 said:

@fogboundturtle @styckx  Guys - sure, I get it. You are both good posters yourselves, but don't mind us, or let our discussion get you down. 
For wrong or right, it is just a few people trying to figure things out and work through the frustration.

All of us are here because we want the sim to get even better, we just have different ways of showing it maybe.  

My point is that people jump to the conclusion really quick that it's Asobo's fault for the CTD when it often isn't. Bad mods are the #1 issue for CTD. Why am I able to fly in MSFS without every having CTD ? What is so different about my setup than anyone else ? 

[HiFlyer 9,358]

2 minutes ago, fogboundturtle said:

Why am I able to fly in MSFS without every having CTD ? What is so different about my setup than anyone else ? 

Well if you could figure that out, and hold the answer for ransom...... 😃

[RobJC 2,069]

1 hour ago, fogboundturtle said:

My point is that people jump to the conclusion really quick that it's Asobo's fault for the CTD when it often isn't. Bad mods are the #1 issue for CTD. Why am I able to fly in MSFS without every having CTD ? What is so different about my setup than anyone else ? 

Not running any mods.