2 hours ago, IanHarrison said:

We live on the outskirts of a City in South Africa on an "agricultural holding". There are no cables laid in our street for fibre, so my best is LTE. Depending on the time of day 10-30 speed.

I suppose I can dream/🤣

Satellite might become an affordable option as technology improves.

2 hours ago, GSalden said:

Laat month I went from 300 to 600. At 300 I almost had no terrain morphing already but 600 is better and more than enough.

Everyone with a slow IN connection should have at least rolling cache enabled and see a loading improvement when doing the same flight for the second time and more.

 

Hi Gerald.  Right...if you have a 600 Mb's service, you are well on your way to having a great scenery downloads pipeline.  I was never implying that you needed to go as high as 945 ONLY, or BEFORE you got steller (actual on Cable service) but that around up or down 'a few' at 360 Mb's, or lower, you would still be susceptible to all the 'clutter' everybody has been complaining about, and asking/seeking for suggestions to alleviate from their flight experience. I wanted to say, that in my case...now running with a 945 Mb's pipeline from the MSFS servers, did exactly that. No further 'clutter'...but now, just an exceptional scenery 'real time' performance!

Edited October 4, 20214 yr by Sesquashtoo

9 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I had FTTP installed in August. 900+Mbps download speeds. But a fast download speed hasn’t altered my choice on my preferred flight sim package.

Ray, love ya, mate but I feel like you are this old stubborn horse of Avsim where it’s gonna take a miracle to get you to try MSFS - and you will still be kicking and screaming (or… making those stubborn horse noises, rather). 🤪 The day you will give this sim a shot will be the stuff of legends! 😉

5 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Satellite might become an affordable option as technology improves.

Ray, the response from around the world to my thread, has been an absolute EYE OPENER!   I guess, you 'think' that in the modern world...that EVERYBODY could have access or acquire  let's say, a 1GB ISP service,  but the hold back would be only if they wished to have and to pay for it.  Again, this thread has been an eye opener for me.  I never knew, or even assumed that at any part of the world, STILL...you could be hamstrung by ONLY where you hang your hat!

Ses

58 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

^^^

This.  If Microsoft is saying the ideal bandwidth is 50 Mbps as per the picture from @MrFuzzy above, it probably doesn't matter if your internet speed is 300 Mbps or 1000 Mbps, assuming you are not using your bandwidth for other uses when you play MSFS (ie. streaming Twitch as you play MSFS) and your ISP is not throttling you.  Provided you can reach the maximum speed that the Azure servers have allocated for you, making your internet connection faster probably won't really improve the streaming in MSFS.

Hi Abrams.  That has NOT been my actual and not merely theoretical experience.  My A/B certainly does not support your assumption.  At 360 Mb's...I indeed had all the 'clutter' that everybody has been asking how to best alleviate, in hundreds of threads since the RTM.  I had every one of them and of course not at all the time, each flight, each center of operation, ...(not special), but lived with it.  What I am posting, is that with a 1GB service, you will see all of that gone...(BUT...as I have been getting a thread education here...) it also might be WHERE in the world you would be signing up for that service....

Edited October 4, 20214 yr by Sesquashtoo

7 minutes ago, BostonJeremy77 said:

Ray, love ya, mate but I feel like you are this old stubborn horse of Avsim where it’s gonna take a miracle to get you to try MSFS - and you will still be kicking and screaming (or… making those stubborn horse noises, rather). 🤪 The day you will give this sim a shot will be the stuff of legends! 😉

I’m not going to debate this, sorry. As I’ve said before... the prettiest girl doesn’t necessarily make the best wife.

8 minutes ago, Sesquashtoo said:

Ray, the response from around the world to my thread, has been an absolute EYE OPENER!   I guess, you 'think' that in the modern world...that EVERYBODY could have access or acquire  let's say, a 1GB ISP service,

I didn’t say that. I simply said satellite might be an option for those in rural areas where it’s uneconomical to lay cables.

Just now, Ray Proudfoot said:

I’m not going to debate this, sorry. As I’ve said before... the prettiest girl doesn’t necessarily make the best wife.

I didn’t say that. I simply said satellite might be an option for those in rural areas where it’s uneconomical to lay cables.

Oh, I understood what you typed.  My response, was about some telling us, how pitiful their present location/service ISP pipeline speed is...at present.

1 hour ago, Sesquashtoo said:

I only upgraded from 360 Mb's ISP Cable service to 945 Mb's ISP Cable service.

Does not mean that your 360Mbps service was of high quality,

In fact, from what you are saying, it was probably a quite low quality service…

Sorry, you do not need a minimum of 1Gbps Internet service to make the most out of MFS!

It will depend a lot on the quality of your ISP and the infrastructure around. My house was built 10 years ago in a fresh newly developed area and since then I'm on a stable and unthrottled 100mbps line and have absolutely no problems in msfs on ultra. And that even with my son gaming too and some other streaming in the back. But the mileage and quality will vary for sure 😉

Cheers T.

If people knew the actual bandwidth requirements we spec for voice/video/data they would laugh...  

In most cases we are talking kbps to mbps certainly not Gbps for an individual user...   

I have 1.2 Gbps down.  With almost 80 connected devices and MSFS running I still have ~2/3 of my bandwidth available.  Where the bandwidth really shines is the multi gig downloads and updates that take a matter of seconds or when I am streaming 4K to multiple devices simultaneously and even that is as dependent upon my own wifi6 internally than the pipes in/out.  

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Off Topic but for those wondering why you need to stream MSFS and can't have it all locally:  How big are your hard drives?

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Microsoft Flight Simulator ‘Feature Discovery’ series, and have described the massive amount of data required to recreate the Earth you’ll be flying around, with a staggering two petabytes (better described as two million gigabytes!) of high quality images and 3D scans used in the creation of the virtual Earth in-game.

 

Edited October 4, 20214 yr by psolk

Sim update 5 and 6 did wonders for me I was about to drop $2700 for a new gaming Laptop. I know,I know buy a desktop but I'm an airline pilot and like to fly the sim on layovers (Can't get enough of this flying stuff I guess haha). Anyway I've been super busy and hadn't flown since SU4 and I was presented with huge performance boost basically doubling my FPS to the point of deciding not to get a new laptop and continue to flog my current 7700HQ/ 8GB 1070 laptop for another year. On Ultra I'm able to maintain over 30 FPS even I'm NYC in the Airbus. Very impressive 

At my old house we had 20Mbps on a good day, so even downloading updates was an all day, all night proposition. I am not going to say the visuals were bad, but i noticed an improvement once we moved into the new house, with 1Gbps fiber. 

5 hours ago, craigeaglefire said:

Does not mean that your 360Mbps service was of high quality,

In fact, from what you are saying, it was probably a quite low quality service…

Sorry, you do not need a minimum of 1Gbps Internet service to make the most out of MFS!

My service gets checked by me every hour or so..and even at 360, it pounded down at that rate....as now it pounds down at 945.  I have no drops in the pipeline...with the download test at top linear full bar...with no drop spikes displayed. It was that way at 360.

Edited October 4, 20214 yr by Sesquashtoo

6 minutes ago, RobJC said:

At my old house we had 20Mbps on a good day, so even downloading updates was an all day, all night proposition. I am not going to say the visuals were bad, but i noticed an improvement once we moved into the new house, with 1Gbps fiber. 

"Ta daaaaaaa"   Same as for myself. Exactly.  My post only wanted to tell everybody 'my' experience.  That with changing nothing in my system, with changing nothing in-sim...and ONLY being upgraded from 360 to 945, all my artifacts that I had, (and everybody mostly has..at some time of a flight) since RTM, are gone.  Vanished...with my running downloads at potential up to 945 Mb's.   I will say, (non flight sim and directly using MSFS) that my downloading speed of files in GB's is jaw dropping. I download 1 GB at 1.20 seconds per GB!   What used to take (on super large files) minutes from 3 to 12...is now almost instant.  Wham...bam...the file zip is ready to rock and roll....that alone, would be worth it for me to pay to make the jump into 'high gear'.... 🙂

28 minutes ago, z06z33 said:

Sim update 5 and 6 did wonders for me I was about to drop $2700 for a new gaming Laptop. I know,I know buy a desktop but I'm an airline pilot and like to fly the sim on layovers (Can't get enough of this flying stuff I guess haha). Anyway I've been super busy and hadn't flown since SU4 and I was presented with huge performance boost basically doubling my FPS to the point of deciding not to get a new laptop and continue to flog my current 7700HQ/ 8GB 1070 laptop for another year. On Ultra I'm able to maintain over 30 FPS even I'm NYC in the Airbus. Very impressive 

I also benefited greatly in the FPS department, but Mr. Zo6, it still rendered artifacts the same as even at RTM.  Going to a 945 Mb's pipeline, (with the same FPS produced, that did not increase...)  no more scenery resolution artifacts...scenery pop ups, a fast flashing A.I. texture...or morphing, or even some NUKE in heavy dense city cores.  That's why I will swear on a Bible if need's be,...that as they say...lol-----> Downstream Pipeline SIZE...DOES MATTER!   You know...as they say....(lol).

Edited October 4, 20214 yr by Sesquashtoo