7 minutes ago, rka said:

Maybe you could just clarify which XP11 stock plane models manifold pressure to your liking and otoh which comparable MSFS stock plane falls behind in that matter?

I like the manifold pressure as modeled on the C-172 in XP11. I can´t give you information on the corresponding model(s) in MSFS because I don´t own it - as I have stated many times before and you certainly know and are now going to say: "AHA! I knew it! He doesn´t even know MSFS, how can he even judge?" 😁

I have used the manifold pressure example as a representative thing to illustrate that X-Plane places emphasis on different things. I don´t want to get into a detailed list with you, but for example temperatures exceeding 200 degrees Celsius at high altitude is not something that I would expect to see in X-Plane, really 😉

And I have never driven a Trabant 601, either - but I still think that it is inferior to a BMW F11 in most regards.

 

25 minutes ago, rka said:

Maybe you could just clarify which XP11 stock plane models manifold pressure to your liking and otoh which comparable MSFS stock plane falls behind in that matter? Genuinely interested.

Are you serious? As Jan wrote: the "thingy" with the instruments is only an excerpt of many others. Why the he.. are we writing down all this stuff, when every hater is ignoring it? Every stock plane in XP can do this, whereas - only an example - very few (expensive) paywares can do knife-edge flying in FSX. But still not in MSFS, afaik.

What else? Braking distance on wet and icy runways. Wake turbulences. Birdstrikes. You name it ... see my link above. Every stock plane in XP can do this (ok ... sorry, I have to apologize. An C172 can't do midair refueling.)
What do you have to offer in MSFS 2020? "But look!! Photogrammetry!" *shaking my head*

16 minutes ago, Janov said:

He doesn´t even know MSFS, how can he even judge?" 😁

I really honestly don't get what you find so funny about this assessment. Shouldn't it be expected that when a person judges things, the person should have at least some knowledge of those things?

On another note, I like how many goal posts you seem to have available and how quickly they can move when someone calls out the presented erm... alternate facts 😄

57 minutes ago, rka said:

Maybe you could just clarify which XP11 stock plane models manifold pressure to your liking and otoh which comparable MSFS stock plane falls behind in that matter? Genuinely interested.

I dont think he explained himself well, having had the manifold pressure issue in XPlane myself I'll elaborate.

So, on the one hand, thats an (should be) "easy fix" for any flight simulator.

OTOH, its the kind of "devil is in the detail" thing that makes even very simple engine systems take tiiiiimmmme.

Its a really simple pressure gauge that at first glance seems unimportant. Except its a really important component of flying a piston engine that simulating accurately depends on a thousand other factors and affects a hundred others. Pilots notice their MP being wrong the way car drivers wouldnt believe a racing sim where rpm goes down as speed goes up.

Suddenly a year has gone by and all you have to show for it is a gauge that reads 0 to 28, except now it reads what it should while you fly, and things explode when they should.

Extra credit, have a peak at the code for the RR engine guages Marauder just pushed for the 744:

https://github.com/mSparks43/747-400/blob/master/plugins/xtlua/scripts/B747.42.xt.EEC/B747.42.xt.EEC.RR.lua

And that is with xplane having already done a lot of the heavy lifting, and still a fair way away from completely finished.

Edited December 15, 20214 yr by mSparks

15 minutes ago, rka said:

Shouldn't it be expected that when a person judges things, the person should have at least some knowledge of those things?

I have some knowledge of those things.

Let me ask you then - should someone be allowed to judge the fidelity of a flight simulator without having any real aircraft flight experience? How many hours do you have? 😉

 

9 minutes ago, Janov said:

I have some knowledge of those things.

Let me ask you then - should someone be allowed to judge the fidelity of a flight simulator without having any real aircraft flight experience? How many hours do you have? 😉

 

Ah, there is the ad hominem coming in. About time!

Edited December 15, 20214 yr by rka

3 minutes ago, rka said:

Ah, there is the ad hominem coming in. About time!

Well, you said that "one should have knowledge to judge"? So, what is your aviation experience?

2 minutes ago, Janov said:

Well, you said that "one should have knowledge to judge"? So, what is your aviation experience?

Everyone in the class who didnt see that coming raise your hand now.

lol.

It's less than you have as a professional pilot, not too surprising, is it?

Still, I base my judgement of two simulator platforms on first hand experience with those two platforms.

As opposed to basing my judgement of two simulator platforms solely on my experience with one of those platforms and telling people that I am a pilot and I know so much that I don't even have to try out the platform I'm judging.

1 hour ago, rka said:

Maybe you could just clarify which XP11 stock plane models manifold pressure to your liking and otoh which comparable MSFS stock plane falls behind in that matter? Genuinely interested.

Can you please respond to my post? Ignoring it, is like burying your head in the sand or the behaviour of flat earthers. You present verifiable facts to them and ask how this would work on their beloved flat earth. However, they either ignore these facts, by simply not responding, or present, erm ... alternative facts. Like (amongst many others): Earth is called a planet. That's a verifiable fact. And ... as that word tells - Earth is "plane". Seriously, I'm not joking. I have seen this in a flat earthers video. If it wasn't this 😭, I could 🤣. Well ... honestly ... I do chuckle about that.
 

Edited December 15, 20214 yr by uwespeed

Well, rka - I will let you off the hook - naturally I have more hours than most here, but to tell you the truth, I think that this is absolutely not a requirement to judge a flight simulator. In fact I think that reading up or studying in general, having a good understanding of the physics involved, and even having looked out of the window of a plane while riding as a passenger will allow you to talk about flightsimulators without anyone dismissing your judgement as not valid "because you are not a pilot"...

...and that is why your argument that I should not judge MSFS because I don´t own it is just as flawed as most of the stuff you post here 🙂

Have a great day (and go look at some chalk paintings in England or something) 😉

 

4 minutes ago, uwespeed said:

Can you please respond to my post? Ignoring it, is like burying your head in the sand or the behaviour of flat earthers. You present verifiable facts to them and ask how this would work on their beloved flat earth. However, they either ignore these facts, by simply not responding, or present, erm ... alternative facts. Like (amongst many others): Earth is called a planet. That's a verifiable fact. And ... as that word tells - Earth is "plane". Seriously, I'm not joking. I have seen this in a flat earthers video. If it wasn't this 😭, I could 🤣. Well ... honestly ... I do chuckle about that.
 

Sorry pal. You keep moving the goal posts too quickly to allow for a serious discussion. 

Your 10:0.2 list amused me though, I'll give you that.

10 minutes ago, rka said:

Still, I base my judgement of two simulator platforms on first hand experience with those two platforms.

Anyone who has flown and/or [tried to] develop for fsx has experience of the simulation aspect of MSFS. It was Asobos starting point, about 9 years ago.

To me it looks like it has mostly so far gone backwards since then.

Does look much better than fsx tho, no one disagrees with that afaik.

Edited December 15, 20214 yr by mSparks

Just now, rka said:

Sorry pal. You keep moving the goal posts too quickly to allow for a serious discussion. 

Your 10:0.2 list amused me though, I'll give you that.

😝😝😝😝😝😝

2 minutes ago, Janov said:

..and that is why your argument that I should not judge MSFS because I don´t own it is just as flawed as most of the stuff you post here 🙂

You need to brush up on your logic. But I think I told you that before.