4 hours ago, akita said:

While I fully understand what people can like about this, yet am still not seeing you post any pics of how they actually look from ground level in many several conditions, I have MSFS and in too many conditions they just look horrible.

Those are lovely shots thanks for posting them.  Some important questions:  is that the state of the entire world XP delivers?  If so that is very impressive!  How is performance when scenery is that detailed if you will?

For me it's that default streamed scenery matches the real world very well, and this is pretty much everywhere on the planet.  This is where the immersion comes from for me.  And all of this is all within sterling performance relative to the detail that is displayed.  In fact, as a legacy behavior until I became very familiar with what was offered as default, I immediately bought 5 airports, and then learned unless I really personally knew the airport, there wasn't much point as the default ones are very good on their own.  In fact, I uninstalled 3 of the 5 for other issues I was not happy with in the payware versions.  If I was in a car driving sim I would be looking closer at ground level detail, but the closest objects I'm ever near are pretty much the airport I'm in, and even the default ones are fabulous--comparing to P3D which is my only personal reference point.  Also, I don't do VFR per se, just IFR in the TBM930, Citation Longitude, and lately a lot of the 787-10 Heavy Division mod.  My long-term history is with airliners.  So truly, for someone with my flying habits, ultra-accurate ground object detail, except in airports, doesn't come into play that much.  But at 1000', 5000', 10000', 30000' etc this is where I appreciate real-world matching ortho scenery, and of course PG is bonus on top of that.  It keeps improving--the early days I saw melted buildings etc but I don't see this much at all anymore, in fact I don't remember when I last saw it.  But again, at takeoff out of complex airports I'm not really looking for vivid detail in a specific building if you will.

A big factor for me personally is the fact I don't need to add or think about scenery, anywhere.  That means flying into all sorts of places I never flew in P3D and all look very authentic and with high fidelity to the real world--this is the draw I'm sure for most users of MSFS.  To fly into Belgrade, Managua, Mexico City, cities in Japan and everywhere else, Dubai, Panama City, Quito Ecuador, etc literally thousands of places and have a very compelling rendering of what that actually looks like is where the draw is.  Plus, with this type of architecture as we move forward and Bing satellite data improves which it most certainly will, very likely we will see this piped into the sim without the need to install the latest scenery from wherever.  I am beyond thankful those days are behind me as I did it in FSX/P3D and paid for all of that as well.

 

 

 

35 minutes ago, Noel said:

is that the state of the entire world XP delivers? 

pretty much.

36 minutes ago, Noel said:

How is performance when scenery is that detailed if you will?

hardware dependant. but good enough for VR. I currently I never see below 100fps in 2D.

37 minutes ago, Noel said:

For me it's that default streamed scenery matches the real world very well,

XP and MS "for the world" use pretty much identical data sources. One of the main issues you'll see in XP is for example sharp corners in the roads as part of keeping the filesize down.

Dont need to worry about that so much when streaming, but on the other hand XP will still work identically while your other half is watching netflix.

40 minutes ago, Noel said:

A big factor for me personally is the fact I don't need to add or think about scenery, anywhere

SFD is a global scenery upgrade.

XP uses ortho4xp for orthophoto.

That has a nasty learning curve to get them downloaded for 11.

I'm contemplating stream caching

For 12.

As I say, if n when MSFS fails to deliver I will def look at XP.  As mentioned before I trialed XP several times and never was intrigued enough to learn more about it, but that was a while back.  MSFS has exceeded my dreams so far, and it continues to improve.  

As long as we're still here, can you post some shots from say Geneva, Managua, Dubai, Nagasaki, Belgrade, Annecy FR, Nice FR, and Sarzana IT from the air, say 3-5K feet?  Or at least a few of those.  It would be cool to see how they compare.  I thought of Sarzana as I saved a screen shot from early exploring from there, having been there in RL:

Geneva, from down low on approach in the 787-10:

Coming into CYVR, then out of CYVR:

Nothing special view in Nice, FR:

Flying low over Standley Lake about 5m north of our house in Arvada CO.  This REALLY looks like Standley Lake--because it is Standley Lake:

One gets the distinct sense you're actually there, like here at KTVL in the Longitude a few days ago:

12 minutes ago, Noel said:

can you post some shots from say

I'm set up for where I fly (IRL), CEE, UK.

Plus a few fun areas like the US and Dubai.

Also, screenshots dont capture the "experience". This is my xplane

Which, btw, is on Linux, I dont actually have a windows machine, just a FC35 desktop, an M1 Mackbook air and a PS4.

If you really want screenshot tho, work your way back from here:

https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/forums/topic/23517-what-plane-did-you-fly-today-maximum-2-shots-per-post-one-post-per-day-please/&page=3019

e.g.

 

 

Thanks for those they look decent for sure.  Perhaps it's the lighting, the entire geography, coloration, etc that is so compelling in MSFS but that is its draw--it just looks like you're actually there, and therein lies the draw for me and from the shots you provided I'm not seeing quite the same level--but it's only a few shots.  Keep posting ones you feel accurately portray the RW.  I'll post some Dubai shots next time I get there, and a few from Japan which are nothing short of astounding.

As said, it's great we have excellent flight simulators, and it's good to have competition for sure.

8 minutes ago, Noel said:

lighting

"kinda".

xplane 11 lighting IS broken.

but also, real life looks nothing like your screenshots and a lot closer to mine.

 

Which is the main reason I dont find the ms shots as nice as you do.

 

 

Edited December 14, 20214 yr by mSparks

2 hours ago, Noel said:

Those are lovely shots thanks for posting them.  Some important questions:  is that the state of the entire world XP delivers?  If so that is very impressive!

No, that's what SFD Global (probably plus other payware) delivers. Stock XP11 does not look like those images.

2 minutes ago, rka said:

No, that's what SFD Global (probably plus other payware) delivers. Stock XP11 does not look like those images.

he didnt ask if it was payware, he asked if sfd global was global.

Edited December 14, 20214 yr by mSparks

40 minutes ago, mSparks said:

he didnt ask if it was payware, he asked if sfd global was global.

Actually he asked if this is the state of the world that XP delivers. I was just trying to clarify that XP doesn't deliver this, SFD Global does, for 30 bucks.

Edited December 14, 20214 yr by rka

Hi Noel,

you will notice that the only one that will allow himself to get drawn into the "which one looks better, MSFS or XP11?" is mSparks 😉

The appeal that XP11 holds over MSFS for the people preferring it will be hard to convey to those preferring MSFS over XP11. Hint: It can not be conveyed in screenshots 😉

Cheers, Jan

 

More SFD Global previews (note the coverage map for the regionalized, custom autogen): https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipM2dKZaKyiCBWRC4XiBtgT-nDW4pUan_V9QsTdYAuzw9Dae59XnLt7H3Pdkv9I08A?key=aF9oN0x2SDVSNkhDU1FoaFFkQUpSbXQtQlRubUZn

If Ortho generation grind is an acceptable pastime, then X-Europe/America/etc. may be a good (and free) alternative for OSM-derived buildings: https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/forums/topic/255854-simheaven-x-america-20-and-x-australia-oceania-20/&

If available time is an issue, I honestly enough wouldn't invest in XP11 anymore and wait for XP12 instead. There's too many third party band aids to apply to soup it up. Maybe do some tinkering with the demo to get into the look and feel of XP at zero cost. Or get it on sale on Steam for the same reason and pray that owning it makes you eligible to test a public beta of XP12, should there be one.

3 hours ago, rka said:

Actually he asked if this is the state of the world that XP delivers. I was just trying to clarify that XP doesn't deliver this, SFD Global does, for 30 bucks.

so for extra clarification.

the scenery addon he was asking about is payware ($30) and global

orbx stuff is payware ($++++) and not global

orthophoto is global and free

the scenery you get in xp11 full version is to the same standard as the demo but global.

3 hours ago, Janov said:

which one looks better, MSFS or XP11?

afaict they both have their big pros and cons in VR and its almost certainly to close to call a clear winner. Apparently ms perf has improved since

But if we are going on user experience ^^^ He called it "absolute garbage" 

XP11 is flawless.

Those of you not yet using VR are all critiquing graphics far too fugly for me.

Id take beat saber graphics over msfs in 2D any day. I'm not alone, with Beat Saber players now in the 10s of millions.

Edited December 14, 20214 yr by mSparks

5 hours ago, mSparks said:

real life looks nothing like your screenshots and a lot closer to mine.

You think so eh that's interesting.  I'll take a little bit of poetic license, as long as everything is where it belongs!

Here's a little Dubai a bit ago:

Zoomed in some:

Zoomed in yet again--no loss of detail far from it--it's the other way around:

Dubai from this view would match reality quite well.  I think it's the lighting and coloration that is going to match the RW because color is captured in the satellite imagery with less need for editing.  This is what gives the sense of being there for me:

Zoomed in some.  I cringe to recall what happened in P3D when I did this--that was v4.5 + Orbx.

Oh, and the requisite Palm Island shot:

 

 

Edited December 14, 20214 yr by Noel

5 hours ago, mSparks said:

he didnt ask if it was payware, he asked if sfd global was global.

What are we looking at for total storage size to install the entire world in maximum detail with ortho in XP?  I'm assuming this is not streamed from XP or some other servers, yes?

Edited December 14, 20214 yr by Noel

2 hours ago, Noel said:

You think so eh that's interesting.  I'll take a little bit of poetic license, as long as everything is where it belongs!

Here's a little Dubai a bit ago:

Zoomed in some:

Zoomed in yet again--no loss of detail far from it--it's the other way around:

Dubai from this view would match reality quite well.  I think it's the lighting and coloration that is going to match the RW because color is captured in the satellite imagery with less need for editing.  This is what gives the sense of being there for me:

Zoomed in some.  I cringe to recall what happened in P3D when I did this--that was v4.5 + Orbx.

Oh, and the requisite Palm Island shot:

 

 

Those are amazing shots really. Bing maps with 3D objects along with weather and realistic lighting. A nice upgrade to global mapping software. Very good for hopping on a plane for sightseeing. 

But for people like me who want a realistic flight simulation along with decent simulation of the environment, XP11 does a great job. The great news is that in XP12, the 'simulation' is being elevated to a higher level along with realistic simulation of the environment. 

Great times ahead for all of us to live in peace and happiness 😊