Abrupt Weather Changes?

[united001 126]

Me too. In fact I was on wheels-down final approach to 28L at KPDX. It was all weathery. Rain and 5SM visibility. Perfect. I looked at the Weather radar on the FBWA320. It was all splotchy with yellow and red. Perfect. Suddenly at about 4 miles to touchdown, the gauge's weather radar blips and completely changes. No more splotchy red and yellow. Clear ahead with a big swath of yellow to the way to the north. No more rain. The METAR reading for the area unchanged. I don't mind changing weather, but that is that how that supposed to work?

United001

 

[Flic1 1,000]

I have only done one flight on SU7 and it was last night real-time so it was dark so obviously did not notice any transitions but will try a daytime flight later today.  I hope this is not true as I have always thought their WX system was brilliant.  I think all that is needed is to be able to get a correct in-sim 'Metar' for the current sim-generated WX at the airport.  Real-world Metar based is not the way to go IMO....let the sim generate its interpretation of the WX, Who cares if it isn't exactly right??  Not sure why this matters to some if you can at least be able to fetch this WX in the sim..  Metars can be an hour old anyway and extremely local when it comes to visibility/fog.  The airport I trained at IRL was on the water and some mornings you would have only the airport covered by a thin fog layer....sometimes only half the runway!  Airport would report 1/4 mile visibility and a mile away it was severe clear.  Really not sure how a Metar-based system would handle that or know how far out the fog exists....

Edited November 19, 2021 by Flic1

[Farlis 2,319]

7 minutes ago, WestAir said:

Weather popping is here to stay, because the alternative is inaccurate ATIS reports.

I would be careful with such sweeping statements, just one day after the new system was introduced.

They said time and time again, that they weather the most important aspect of the environment and that they are continuously working to make it better.

I know we users have the tendency to want everything perfect yesterday. But often that is not how this works. If the issue survives the next 3 weather improvement phases, then I'd start to worry.

But not at this point.

[NightOfDreams 370]

51 minutes ago, mwilk said:

This may be a case of, "Be careful what you wish for, you might get it."

Ugh. I didnt wish for anything, Live Weather seemed to be working great lately with accurate temperatures and winds aloft. Never noticed any abrupt transitions either (unlike using the Unrealwx mod). Abrupt transitions kill the immersion for me.

[Rudiii 257]

11 minutes ago, Farlis said:

I would be careful with such sweeping statements, just one day after the new system was introduced.

They said time and time again, that they weather the most important aspect of the environment and that they are continuously working to make it better.

I know we users have the tendency to want everything perfect yesterday. But often that is not how this works. If the issue survives the next 3 weather improvement phases, then I'd start to worry.

But not at this point.

As Jorg kept saying "we are 1.5 years into a 10 year journey" so yes I'm still optimistic that improvements will come in time.

I just hope they see this as an imperfection as opposed to something simmers would put up with.

[The Moose 1,178]

11 minutes ago, NightOfDreams said:

(unlike using the Unrealwx mod). Abrupt transitions kill the immersion for me.

At least with UnrealWX you could at least fine tune the timings so the transitions weren't too jarring.  I had it dialed in nicely so it wasn't immersion killing most of the time.     Now Unreal is broken so were forced to use the new system and there's no tweakability. I find the transitions way more harsh than UWX.

They should have at least left us with the option of the old injection method or the new Metar based system.  Being forced to use the new system has really rubbed me up the wrong way

[RobJC 2,073]

I was taking off somewhere in Vancouver. I loaded up and everything was green and clear. I waited a minute or two. Then I started to take off. I got almost in the air when the weather changed to snow on the ground and heavy clouds. So it seems there was a pretty long delay before the weather loaded, and I wasn't expecting to go from green grass to snow covered land dynamically. Was this implemented? I do not have any season mods installed. 

[WestAir 2,530]

40 minutes ago, Farlis said:

I would be careful with such sweeping statements, just one day after the new system was introduced.

A fair rebuttal. I can't see the future and have no clue if we're stuck with the METAR system for good. My post was pure cynicism, which isn't necessarily helpful.

[Tuskin38 6,635]

21 minutes ago, RobJC said:

I wasn't expecting to go from green grass to snow covered land dynamically. Was this implemented? I do not have any season mods installed. 

Snow coverage was added last December.

It's supposedly based off the Meteoblue snow coverage map, but there have been reports of it showing up where it shouldn't be right now.

Edited November 19, 2021 by Tuskin38

[honanhal 1,427]

I'm hopeful that this new mixed system will be fine-tuned with time, but I'm 100% with everyone who sees these teething pains as coming from a solution to a non-problem. The predicted weather was all I really needed. Truthfully, I've never fully understood this kamikaze fixation with real-world METARs as the only "realistic" weather. What we had before SU7 was easily the best weather system ever in a sim.

Of course, in theory a system that actually seamlessly blends predicted and METAR weather would be the best of both worlds. But how long is it going to take to get there?

James

[Noel 4,563]

2 hours ago, Rudiii said:

I really do hope they can iron out the abrupt changes specifically.

I think you can safely conclude of course they will.  Using local metars and integrating w/ what is used between those is their challenge to solve and guaranteed they will in due time and I would predict sooner than later.

[John Fields 280]

Hi,

I have flown several times with Metar injection weather.

Every flight that is cloudy the clouds appear to be very low. Don't you think? Anyone has experienced the same?

Regards.

 

[ktd544002 25]

I absolutely loved the previous weather depiction, and lately, it seemed to be fairly accurate to real world conditions…close enough for me at least.

I’ve only taken a couple of test flights since SU7, but the weather just didn’t look right to me (though I didn’t notice abrupt transitions).  I didn’t get the overcast layer as the METAR indicated, just a lot of big towering clouds with gaps between them.  The old system would show overcast layers/storm fronts very well.

I personally think having the system generate realistic weather formations based on forecast models is better than weather generated on the fly from METARs…hopefully they will continue to work on how the information is translated to the sim.

[Noel 4,563]

10 minutes ago, ktd544002 said:

hopefully they will continue to work on how the information is translated to the sim

You can count on it.

[NightOfDreams 370]

Looks like I'll be filing IFR from now on since I might end up flying from clear sky to sudden dense fog to snow to clear sky to lightning to hurricane to clear sky. Who knows????

Good thing I spent 4 hours yesterday downloading the downgrade for this Oops I mean "upgrade"

Edited November 19, 2021 by NightOfDreams