2 hours ago, NightOfDreams said:

Ugh. I didnt wish for anything, Live Weather seemed to be working great lately with accurate temperatures and winds aloft. Never noticed any abrupt transitions either (unlike using the Unrealwx mod). Abrupt transitions kill the immersion for me.

I was very critical of the weather system from day one. I was an Alpha\Beta tester from the start and it was apparent that the weather system just wasn't accurate. We all voiced our opinion as such. After release it had seem to improve and by the time SU6 had been released it actually wasn't too bad. I could live with it as it was. What we have now is much of what you get with an addon like Rex Weather Force 2020. You have the same kind of abrupt weather changes with that program. Hopefully this will work itself out to something that works for everyone.

16 minutes ago, Noel said:

You can count on it.

Yep, I know it’s a work in progress and have faith, but still hard to go backwards for however long it’ll take to get it “smoothed out”.  I thought I heard Jorg mention some exciting new possibilities technologically as far as weather goes.  So fingers crossed.

5 minutes ago, mwilk said:

What we have now is much of what you get with an addon like Rex Weather Force 2020. You have the same kind of abrupt weather changes with that program. Hopefully this will work itself out to something that works for everyone.

Earlier this year I compared Live Weather, unreal, and Rex, and found that Live Weather was the best. I didnt care if it didnt match actual live weather perfectly, it looked and felt realistic. I love seeing different weather in different directions. It irks me that they take something that works well and replace it was garbage, and we have zero control over it. That's why my mentality with MSFS is that we stream the game rather than own it; it can be yanked or shut down at any moment. Could always fall back to P3D but it's hard to go back to that after being on MSFS

I was happy to read Jorg's comments on 2022 being aimed at stability and retaining full commitment to the 10yr project lifespan.  The 'faith' is based on the fact MSFS is a ginormous net positive thus far, all of 1.25 years into that 10yr timeframe, so we cut them some slack for the occasional and anticipated backslide associated w/ updates.  It helps to be an obligate negative anticipator 

1 hour ago, Tuskin38 said:

Snow coverage was added last December.

It's supposedly based off the Meteoblue snow coverage map, but there have been reports of it showing up where it shouldn't be right now.

That is very cool. First time I have actually seen this work. I must be flying in places that haven't had snow. 

11 minutes ago, NightOfDreams said:

Earlier this year I compared Live Weather, unreal, and Rex, and found that Live Weather was the best. I didnt care if it didnt match actual live weather perfectly, it looked and felt realistic. I love seeing different weather in different directions. It irks me that they take something that works well and replace it was garbage, and we have zero control over it. That's why my mentality with MSFS is that we stream the game rather than own it; it can be yanked or shut down at any moment. Could always fall back to P3D but it's hard to go back to that after being on MSFS

Wish they would give 3rd party dev's proper access to the weather system rather than what they have at this moment in time.

 

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Thanks everyone for your input so far.

I think we all seem to be on a similar page in regards to these issues and I remain optimistic about the future of the sim.

About to start a short European VFR flight in the Piper Arrow with live weather but custom time so I'll see how I get on.

3 hours ago, Flic1 said:

I have only done one flight on SU7 and it was last night real-time so it was dark so obviously did not notice any transitions but will try a daytime flight later today.  I hope this is not true as I have always thought their WX system was brilliant.  I think all that is needed is to be able to get a correct in-sim 'Metar' for the current sim-generated WX at the airport.  Real-world Metar based is not the way to go IMO....let the sim generate its interpretation of the WX, Who cares if it isn't exactly right??  Not sure why this matters to some if you can at least be able to fetch this WX in the sim..  Metars can be an hour old anyway and extremely local when it comes to visibility/fog.  The airport I trained at IRL was on the water and some mornings you would have only the airport covered by a thin fog layer....sometimes only half the runway!  Airport would report 1/4 mile visibility and a mile away it was severe clear.  Really not sure how a Metar-based system would handle that or know how far out the fog exists....

^^^^^ this, precisely

Most of the reporting stations in the US at least are automated, and at that only a few are observationally corrected.  I have seen where the reporting station at my local airport is all over the map.  It is not unusual for it to report low solid overcast only because a crow landed on the reporting head and hung out for a bit.

 

7 minutes ago, Rudiii said:

Thanks everyone for your input so far.

I think we all seem to be on a similar page in regards to these issues and I remain optimistic about the future of the sim.

About to start a short European VFR flight in the Piper Arrow with live weather but custom time so I'll see how I get on.

I love the Turbo Arrow IV, mostly the only plane I fly. Let us know how your weather is! 

what would help is for the METAR first crowd to realize that not even METARs are accurate as they often only get updated once an hour.  I think the most they get updated is once every ten minutes during severe weather.  I could easily be wrong there.  But pure snapshots of 'at that moment conditions' that are limited by the type of data gathered are just low resolution images of reality.

What I wanted was a better simulation that was based on real world conditions and I think we had that -- it just needed to be better.

Don't real world pilots ask the tower what current conditions are anyway?  METARs are just an 'these may be the conditions you encounter' statement and shouldn't dictate anything.

11 minutes ago, sightseer said:

what would help is for the METAR first crowd to realize that not even METARs are accurate as they often only get updated once an hour.  I think the most they get updated is once every ten minutes during severe weather.  I could easily be wrong there.  But pure snapshots of 'at that moment conditions' that are limited by the type of data gathered are just low resolution images of reality.

What I wanted was a better simulation that was based on real world conditions and I think we had that -- it just needed to be better.

Don't real world pilots ask the tower what current conditions are anyway?  METARs are just an 'these may be the conditions you encounter' statement and shouldn't dictate anything.

When you see scattered clouds and unlimited visibility... and the METAR is reporting OVC800 with mist it is a fairly big issue...

We ask the tower for all kinds of things... like permission to land 🙂 

Things like wind checks are common, but generally talking to the tower about weather is only when its at minimums, or to see if they have had anyone go missed or landed recently etc.

1 hour ago, John Fields said:

Every flight that is cloudy the clouds appear to be very low. Don't you think? Anyone has experienced the same?

It's likely they've mixed MSL with AGL, so the higher your airport, the lower the cloud base.

50 minutes ago, Flyfaster_MTN002 said:

When you see scattered clouds and unlimited visibility... and the METAR is reporting OVC800 with mist it is a fairly big issue...

How do you know the METAR is right?  I watch Premier 1 Driver's channel fairly often and there are times when reported weather is nothing like the actual current conditions.  The tower tells him current weather.

A simulator should have realistic and believable weather and not try to match a snapshot that may very well be wrong anyway. And in addition to that,  how many people actually restrict their flying time to when that METAR was taken?  Maybe Asobo should take away the ability to adjust the time... ability to adjust sim rate... ability to adjust or change anything at will that disagrees with the current assertion of 'reality'.  or maybe a sim is a sim and not a weather reporting station.  It isn't possible to match real world conditions where conditions are either not reported at all or are incorrectly reported or limited by some standard.  I think we all want realism but letting a METAR dictate things isn't the way to go imo.  METARS should be strong suggestions.  An improved predictive model should be close to  a reported condition anyway if its working.

6 hours ago, Farlis said:

This is what happens when you re-introduce the old station based weather system without figuring out how to interpolate between the forecast model and the METAR reports.

I consider this a work in progress.

Isn't this what Active Sky did so well in FSX/P3D?

25 minutes ago, sightseer said:

How do you know the METAR is right?  I watch Premier 1 Driver's channel fairly often and there are times when reported weather is nothing like the actual current conditions.  The tower tells him current weather.

 

Because there are actual FAR's that require it to be (by law). The automated equipment, coupled with meteorological credentialed tower controllers verify it.