3 hours ago, MrFuzzy said:

All the clouds are so low now 😞 And a thick fog can suddenly appear from nowhere.
Asobo please let us return to the old live weather system. This is garbage.

 

 

 

 

yes it looks like FSX with the Active Sky at the first stage !

and here we are again at the beginning - abrupt changes - only sporadic and nonsensical cumulus clouds accumulations (above the metar stations ) I don't know if it has to do with the fact that weather servers are not really online, but that can't be the solution !

 

 

Edited November 19, 20214 yr by AUA425

2 hours ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

 

So far the only changes I have seen with SU7 are quick changes to fog and haze, not clouds.  

It does it with clouds as well.   Just had the whole sky completely change on me over the course of about ten seconds leaving Vancouver.  Very abrupt and jarring.

 

1 hour ago, The Moose said:

It does it with clouds as well.   Just had the whole sky completely change on me over the course of about ten seconds leaving Vancouver.  Very abrupt and jarring.

I just did a flight in California.  The MSFS planning map showed cloud moving off the pacific.  I started a flight - the ATIS was giving visibility 3 miles and three layers of clouds.  Outside the haze was spot on but it was a cloudless blue sky!  I flew for two hundred miles and every single atis along the way was giving exactly the same weather as my origin airfield!

The haze looks really good, but some worrying examples of inaccurate weather/ATIS and jarring transitions.

 

 

They really should have made this METAR Implementation optional (calling it a Beta feature). So those who desperately want accurate weather at airports could use it while all others could still enjoy the best weather engine we ever had.

38 minutes ago, RALF9636 said:

They really should have made this METAR Implementation optional (calling it a Beta feature). So those who desperately want accurate weather at airports could use it while all others could still enjoy the best weather engine we ever had.

We need three options, imo:
 

1. METAR

2. METEOBLUE WEATHER FORECAST

3. CUSTOM / PRESET

 

Not sure how the WX Dev team would divide the workload, especially since they've got big plans for WX, but it might be the only way to quell both sides of the fence here.

As I said in another thread: Being a meteorologist I know for sure that METAR is NOT the right data source for creating a 3d weather depiction, even when combining with model data. Everyone who tries to do this will run into a long list of severe problems earlier or later.

The MeteoBlue model data were great. It is always a problem, that a minority of loud whiners get more attention than the silent majority. Please, Microsoft and Asobo, rethink about this. The current solution is far from good.

Side note: Had a great flight into Malaga in southern Span yesterday evening with live time and weather, and the new visualization of haze is absolutely stunning, especially when facing the sun! Great job on that, Asobo! If we can get rid of the sudden changes again and on top of that get at least somewhat realistic cirrus clouds I will be happier than ever before. 🙂

1 hour ago, Weatherman said:

As I said in another thread: Being a meteorologist I know for sure that METAR is NOT the right data source for creating a 3d weather depiction, even when combining with model data. Everyone who tries to do this will run into a long list of severe problems earlier or later.

I'm curious; how did Active Sky manage this for so long?  Honest question. I always assumed they were using a combination of METAR, FA and model data?  It always worked pretty well, with smooth transitions and accurate weather at the airports.  Seems like if they could do it years ago, it should be achievable in this sim?

1 hour ago, Stearmandriver said:

I'm curious; how did Active Sky manage this for so long?  Honest question. I always assumed they were using a combination of METAR, FA and model data?  It always worked pretty well, with smooth transitions and accurate weather at the airports.  Seems like if they could do it years ago, it should be achievable in this sim?

yes, with "100.000" tricks and workarounds - and it took almost "decades" - AS16 and ASE did a good job anyway but it only became really "smooth" with Active Sky and P3D - I know that because I had every single version of every weather program for every SIM, because I just hoped that it would become really good (at least as far as the believable or realistic depiction is concerned). and everyone still knows the settings like "prevent updates on approach" etc..

and really good has become with MSFS and their solution (I don't mean the missing features like haze, wrong winds etc.) and now they are going away from that to something that is actually not, as the Weatherman has already said (thank you), really useful for the 3D representation of the weather (I don't mean the values)!
IRL you get the basic weather data you need and "nature" does the rest.

But maybe it's just a bug or offline weather servers at the moment, but officially there is no announcement !

Edited November 20, 20214 yr by AUA425

Well,

AFAIK Active Sky uses both forecast ( World model + TAF + SIGMET + GAMET + AIRMET ) and observation ( METAR / SPECI ) as well as a technique based on virtual weather stations along a route if you input the route.

The blend between model / forecast and observation isn't always easy, but they have achieved a good compromise.

MFS METAR implementation looks like it has at least one quirk too with cloud base reference. They index it to QNH instead of AGL. They're surely fix it later.

I recently reinstalled P3D, now v5 HF2, and compared the accuracy between MFS + SU7 and P3D v5 + AS latest beta version, and I found some problems with weather depiction and variables in MFS that do not happen in Active Sky + P3D, but in the last Q&A session they mentioned it is still under deveopment and that they're not satisfied yet with what they've achieved, so we can expect it to get better in future updates 🙂

Edited November 20, 20214 yr by jcomm

Did some more flights last night and all through the flight this fog is jumping in and out. It's really jarring and I'm still surprised at how little discussion there is outside of Avsim and that one MSFS Forum thread.

I shall be switching to a custom weather preset for now I expect, work the sliders until it just looks nice and put up with not having dynamically changing weather until a drastic change is made to this METAR injection. 

I guess I have been lucky as this is the first disappointment I have experienced with the sim, at least.

14 minutes ago, jcomm said:

 in the last Q&A session they mentioned it is still under deveopment and that they're not satisfied yet with what they've achieved, so we can expect it to get better in future updates 

🙂

Makes it even more incrompehensible that they included that Beta version of a weather engine into a mandatory update, killing one of the flagship features of their sim.

1 hour ago, Rudiii said:

It's really jarring and I'm still surprised at how little discussion there is outside of Avsim and that one MSFS Forum thread.

 

Because of the majority not using live weather? Just take a look on all those posts from the "praise everything from MSFS" brigade, they usually fly with presets, mostly clear skies, for their vids and screenshots. That is also why immersion breaking bugs like the totally wrong snow coverage gets so little attention, people are busy admiring optics instead of using this software as a simulator, sadly...

1 hour ago, Rudiii said:

Did some more flights last night and all through the flight this fog is jumping in and out. It's really jarring and I'm still surprised at how little discussion there is outside of Avsim and that one MSFS Forum thread

Looks like you can no longer simulate VFR flights in a program called Flight Simulator. Good thing I spent 4 hours downloading the "upgrade" and cleared my hard drive space so I can get some arcade game planes in place of core features that I've been enjoying for the last year. Woo Hoo 

Edited November 20, 20214 yr by NightOfDreams

1 hour ago, AnkH said:

Because of the majority not using live weather? Just take a look on all those posts from the "praise everything from MSFS" brigade, they usually fly with presets, mostly clear skies, for their vids and screenshots. That is also why immersion breaking bugs like the totally wrong snow coverage gets so little attention, people are busy admiring optics instead of using this software as a simulator, sadly...

The loudest voices for METAR in live weather are those who go as far as to use VATSIM for realism so I'm not entirely convinced by this. I think it's the other way around where "serious simmers" will put up with totally breaking one part of the immersion in order to support another, ie worse weather for better Vatsim.

After all, this has been the way that METAR injection has been handled in all those other "real sims" like P3D and XP11.

I don't have a problem with how anyone plays the sim as long as the market is healthy and the product is supported. 

 

Edited November 20, 20214 yr by Rudiii

I am now on a flight from KMLI to KOMA, weather is supposed to be clear, and yet again, haze everywhere, just like yesterday.

 

 

 

Edited November 20, 20214 yr by Bobsk8