23 minutes ago, Alec said:

Of course! The FBO is not what some are thinking. It's just an Immersion Feature, not a limiting and punishing thing to Sim Pilots who don't want to have a 100% Pilot Simulation. The entire Aircraft Simulation works just as it would in any other addon. In no way, you need the FBO to do anything you wouldn't be able through the Menus. You still have the same job as a pilot in command. The FBO is basically going to ask you how many Passengers goes onboard (which is you dont want, you can open the X-Plane Loading Manager and set Payload Manually), if you need Ground Services, Pushback, De-Icing, etc. And that's it. At the cockpit, you can still request all those, some via Smart Menus, all via standard menus from X-Plane. It's not going to limit in any way what you want to do with your plane 😉

Hi Alexis,

Many thanks for your detailed reply, will definitely purchase this addon.

41 minutes ago, Andistio said:

You can enter it manually in the plane as you can in any other add-on. I'd recommend taking a look at V1's video. The FBO seems to be there to order services like fuel, passengers, GPU etc. and to add to the immersion in general.

 

Thanks for the link for that video, very helpful.

For an aircraft that has so much depth, I found the documentation on the very light side. I am familiar with CRJ style aircraft and I am 100% loss in the CL650. I was hoping for at least 1 tutorial flight and a detailed POH. I really hope LeadingEdge simluation step up in the documentation area. For the 115 USD price tag, I was expecting a lot more documentation.

8 minutes ago, fogboundturtle said:

For an aircraft that has so much depth, I found the documentation on the very light side. I am familiar with CRJ style aircraft and I am 100% loss in the CL650. I was hoping for at least 1 tutorial flight and a detailed POH. I really hope LeadingEdge simluation step up in the documentation area. For the 115 USD price tag, I was expecting a lot more documentation.

It's not a Leading Edge Sim add on.  It's a Hot Start add on, with collaboration by LES.  (I appreciate the credit, though.)

We're prohibited from reproducing Bombardier documentation, however, along with the in sim documentation under the "Study" menu, and the description of each system in each of the checklist items, you might want to check the forums for some documentation to get familiarized, along with a 7 hour long video tutorial made by one of our testers.

 

Edited January 10, 20224 yr by GoranM

8 minutes ago, GoranM said:

We're prohibited from reproducing Bombardier documentation, however, along with the in sim documentation under the "Study" menu, and the description of each system in each of the checklist items, you might want to check the forums for some documentation to get familiarized, along with a 7 hour long video tutorial made by one of our testers.

 

Thanks. I will look it up.

 

BTW I don't mean to be mean but there is too much complexity build in this aircraft for the idiots casual like me and having a tutorial flight would certainly get a dumb guy like me get going.

Edited January 10, 20224 yr by fogboundturtle

12 minutes ago, fogboundturtle said:

I don't mean to be mean but there is too much complexity build in this aircraft for the idiots casual like me and having a tutorial flight would certainly get a dumb guy like me get going.

All you need to do is ask, and we're more than happy to help out.  We're looking at adding a tutorial pdf.

35 minutes ago, fogboundturtle said:

Thanks. I will look it up.

 

BTW I don't mean to be mean but there is too much complexity build in this aircraft for the idiots casual like me and having a tutorial flight would certainly get a dumb guy like me get going.

Did you miss teh bit about teh flight tutorial is his answer

19 minutes ago, GoranM said:

All you need to do is ask, and we're more than happy to help out.  We're looking at adding a tutorial pdf.

Thank you. I think this will go a long way to get people familiarize with some of the subtlety 

1 hour ago, fogboundturtle said:

For an aircraft that has so much depth, I found the documentation on the very light side. I am familiar with CRJ style aircraft and I am 100% loss in the CL650. I was hoping for at least 1 tutorial flight and a detailed POH. I really hope LeadingEdge simluation step up in the documentation area. For the 115 USD price tag, I was expecting a lot more documentation.

This website has all the official documentation for the plane. Although it's Challenger 605, pretty much identical.

Plane Bombardier CHALLENGER-605 (smartcockpit.com)

Is there a bit more to "career" mode instead of just setting up the aircraft for the next flight, such as having to earn money to pay for fuel and repairs?

Still on the fence about this one. The plus side is the very interesting systems simulation (wish I could see the code), attempt at maximizing immersion and apparent framerate-friendliness, but the price tag is a bit prohibitive and the subject aircraft itself is not really my cup of tea.

I‘m a P3D guy. I have spent thousands of dollars on v5 alone, and I usually only fly study level PMDG / FSLabs. Now the previews for this aircraft here made me buy X-Plane 11 and the 650. I have no other addon for X-Plane, it feels extremely empty and „default“ (remember: I got almost everything for P3D). Still I am fighting myself to start up P3D for the last 2 days (made 2 flights with the 650 so far), because my mind actually wants the 650, even in the sterile, default X-Plane world. You know something is „good“ when you prefer it in an empty simulator to a complete simulator with study level aircraft (P3D)… now the bad thing is that PMDG somehow feels not study level anymore since I‘ve flown the 650 😄

 

3 hours ago, Bjoern said:

Is there a bit more to "career" mode instead of just setting up the aircraft for the next flight, such as having to earn money to pay for fuel and repairs?

Still on the fence about this one. The plus side is the very interesting systems simulation (wish I could see the code), attempt at maximizing immersion and apparent framerate-friendliness, but the price tag is a bit prohibitive and the subject aircraft itself is not really my cup of tea.

 

That bit is not implemented. It has no Economic System tied to it. It's just focused on Operation. For that, you are better off using an External Addon that will just do it way better anyway. 

About wishing you could see the code, you almost can. The developer has implemented a ton of Study Menus, where it's shown to you all the internal workings of the systems, all the data that is being processed. Be it GPS, IRS, Engines, Hydraulic, Pressurization, Environment, etc, etc. You have full access to that! You could spend a day looking and not see it all! 

I wasn't much of a fan of the BizJet Category as well, but this airplane really is not your typical BizJet. It's not simple, like you expect a BizJet to be. It has operation more complex than a Boeing or Airbus in many systems. This gives you so much to do, you never find yourself bored, I guarantee!

 

2 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

I‘m a P3D guy. I have spent thousands of dollars on v5 alone, and I usually only fly study level PMDG / FSLabs. Now the previews for this aircraft here made me buy X-Plane 11 and the 650. I have no other addon for X-Plane, it feels extremely empty and „default“ (remember: I got almost everything for P3D). Still I am fighting myself to start up P3D for the last 2 days (made 2 flights with the 650 so far), because my mind actually wants the 650, even in the sterile, default X-Plane world. You know something is „good“ when you prefer it in an empty simulator to a complete simulator with study level aircraft (P3D)… now the bad thing is that PMDG somehow feels not study level anymore since I‘ve flown the 650 😄

X-Plane 11 can look Sterile, no doubt. I have a ton of Addons into mine that made it look way better, to be able to use it as much as I do. The good news is that most of them are Freeware. You can easily search the Web for Must Have Addons. On top of that, my recomendation would be for Enhanced Skyscape, which transforms the XP11 Clouds to a whole new level, for 15 Bucks. Completely worth it. I also use Ortho, if that's your thing, go for it. If not, there is a world of Scenery Packages for the region you want. 

Now, the Devs aren't going to like me saying that, because this sort of addon does bad thing to their work, but I also use ShadeX, which is a Shader "Hack" similar to ReShade. With the right Preset, that completely transforms the color pallete of XP11, from Bland to a much more colorful and deep visual. It's not like XP12, of course, but it makes it much better for me.

On 1/10/2022 at 1:59 PM, Alec said:

That bit is not implemented. It has no Economic System tied to it. It's just focused on Operation. For that, you are better off using an External Addon that will just do it way better anyway.

Thought so. The FBO feature would have lent itself to that though, as you could easily pay fuel bills at the desk and find and sign transportation contracts at the computer, etc.

 

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About wishing you could see the code, you almost can. The developer has implemented a ton of Study Menus, where it's shown to you all the internal workings of the systems, all the data that is being processed. Be it GPS, IRS, Engines, Hydraulic, Pressurization, Environment, etc, etc. You have full access to that! You could spend a day looking and not see it all!

I've seen that in some videos, but it's not what I want. With all the claims of "physics simulation" running beneath it all, I wanna see what exactly they mean by that and this involves looking at code and equations. But again, it's wishful thinking.

 

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I wasn't much of a fan of the BizJet Category as well, but this airplane really is not your typical BizJet. It's not simple, like you expect a BizJet to be. It has operation more complex than a Boeing or Airbus in many systems. This gives you so much to do, you never find yourself bored, I guarantee!

Still, all you can do with it is ferry VIP passengers from here to there. If it at least offered an alternate medevac configuration, it would be more attractive to me.

Edited January 11, 20224 yr by Bjoern

7 minutes ago, Bjoern said:

The FBO feature would have lent itself to that though, as you could easily pay fuel bills at the desk and find and sign transportation contracts at the computer, etc.

The FBO is an alternative to an EFB. But we have it on good authority by the 650 pilot we have consulted with, that the refueler does, indeed come into the cockpit for a signature, often times interrupting the captin while he's going through his checklists.

7 minutes ago, Bjoern said:

I've seen that in some videos, but it's not what I want. With all the claims of "physics simulation" running beneath it all, I wanna see what exactly they mean by that and this involves looking at code and equations. But again, it's wishful thinking.

Obviously, we can't share source code, but, short of showing it to you, I can assure you, there is a lot of math and flight physics going on under the hood of the Challenger.  We couldn't have done what we have done, otherwise.  Everything in the Challenger is custom.  The only thing we need from X-Plane is the flight environment.

7 minutes ago, Bjoern said:

Still, all you can do with it is ferry VIP passengers from here to there. If it at least offered an alternate medevac configuration, it would be more attractive to me.

A REGA paint is in the works, and a REGA cabin will be made available for free in the coming weeks.  All materials/documentation for the paint and the cabin are provided by REGA themselves.

Edited January 11, 20224 yr by GoranM

7 minutes ago, Bjoern said:

Still, all you can do with it is ferry VIP passengers from here to there. If it at least offered an alternate medevac configuration, it would be more attractive to me.

Björn,

I have spent the last 25 years of my life flying passengers and cargo through Europe and the world as a First Officer and Captain for a major airline.

Never have I paid a single fuel bill.

Never have I signed a single transportation contract.

Never have I seen any code or physics simulation behind that operation.

Never have I flown a single medevac flight (though there were plenty of people on board that I wouldn´t consider completely healthy).

I have an unattractive job. 😐

PS: You don´t really think that they would let you take a look at their code, do you? 😅

 

Edited January 11, 20224 yr by Janov