I live at the coast in middle Sweden on a island closest, airport ESNN  

the ice coverage is qutite good here, inside +-1km from RL.

the border frozen open wather can change very fast , wind and current have more effect then the temp.

if you have 2-3 weeks with lower then -15C and calm winds the ice coverage increase very fast on other hand the coverage dont change much with calm winds and +10C for a week.

 

 

Edited January 17, 20224 yr by westman

19 hours ago, dresoccer4 said:

you know you could really use that "argument" against any requested fixes. but it's not helpful 😉 

Here's another one for you, turn slip has never been addressed by Asobo.  I would love to see work initiated on this as it's a key reality in real world flight. Turning without the thought of slip in many aircraft is very unrealistic.  The feature was present in all other iterations of FS before this one including XPlane and other sim offerings (P3D is basically FSX so I don't count it as an example outside of FSX).  Again some movement is better than no movement and there's so many examples of this.  

On a side not addressing the turn slip problem will ultimately or should I say most likely break the default flight model again causing Asobo to go back and rework the whole solution (causing frustration users and third party developers alike).  You would hope this wouldn't be the case but with Asobo it usually is.  It's sad because the default flight model is very good in so many other areas.

5 hours ago, AnkH said:

How I hate such comments... the issue is only trivial, if you are word not allowed while flying over a region with frozen lakes that basically never freeze over, like in the Swiss Alps (basically throughout the Alps...). I still wonder how one can oversee this or consider it minor, if I fly with real weather in the Alps, this totally ruins immersion. Flying in the Alps is now in 3/4th of the year impossible with real weather: either (in winter) lakes are frozen that never freeze or (in autumn and spring) the snow coverage is so ridiculously bad, it instantly kills immersion as well. And no, I am not happy with weather presets, they usually do not even closely represent the weather in the Alps...

@slashed2 do you have a link to the meteoblue sea ice map? I am pretty sure that this map is correct (as the snow coverage map) but Asobo once more failed to properly integrate the available data into their sim...

I'm a realist. There are only so many hours in the day, and so many developers working on the sim. I am not trying to down play your issue, but given the current state of the sim, the developers need to look at lots of other things first. I classify problems into 3 categories: functionality, features and enhancements, and user experience. Functionality issues need immediate developer attention as they affect everyone. Features and enhancements should get attention next, and the user experience issues get handled last (unfortunate if it is your issue they are sitting on).

In the grand scheme of things, I personally would rather see them ignore lake ice for now, and attend to base functions that haven't been fixed or ported over yet like ATC, the weather engine as a whole (which might accidentally fix the lake ice issue), basic airport ops like gate assignments, AI traffic behavior, and there are still flight model clean up issues to go. The list of items that affect everyone is still very big.

I (and probably many others on here) would never have noticed the frozen lake issue if you hadn't posted this. Even if I did, I probably would have thought something along the lines of, "Cool! They added frozen lakes to the sim. That's great!", instead of seeing it as a negative like you do.   

12 hours ago, Fielder said:

 

"The ice was here. The ice was there. The ice was everywhere." -Samuel Coleridge, Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner

My favorite Iron Maiden tune. Up the Irons!

Edited January 17, 20224 yr by MDFlier

7 hours ago, AnkH said:

 

@slashed2 do you have a link to the meteoblue sea ice map? I am pretty sure that this map is correct (as the snow coverage map) but Asobo once more failed to properly integrate the available data into their sim...

Here's the link.  Under Sea and Surf.

https://www.meteoblue.com/en/weather/maps/chester-county-g-o-carlson-airport_united-states_4557135#coords=2.35/57.43/-131.71&map=seaIceCover~3hourly~auto~sfc~none

 the Μap clearly shows that for example in Ketchikan it is not covered with ice, MSFS also shows land + sea snowy while only the ground should...

the problem is just that , snowy water overall  ...Same in Norwegian fjords ENML  yesterday

 

Edited January 17, 20224 yr by iliasr

It's actually much worse than frozen lakes in the northern hemisphere. Here's a topic I started showcasing how, even in the middle of summertime, MSFS is freezing over entire sub-continents. 

Frozen New Zealand (in summertime) - Community / General Discussion - Microsoft Flight Simulator Forums

In this below images it's 22c 🥶

8 hours ago, MDFlier said:

21 hours ago, Fielder said:

"The ice was here. The ice was there. The ice was everywhere." -Samuel Coleridge, Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner

   My favorite Iron Maiden tune. Up the Irons!

My bad. Actually it should have been "The ice was here. The ice was there. The ice was all around" -Samuel Coleridge, Rime of the Ancient Mariner

I love the poem. A bridegroom's next of kin is walking along the way very near to the wedding when a shabby old sea dog grabs him by the shoulder "There was a ship" quoth he. And holds the guy spellbound with an unworldly tale of frozen high adventure out on the deep blue.

3 hours ago, dresoccer4 said:

It's actually much worse than frozen lakes in the northern hemisphere. Here's a topic I started showcasing how, even in the middle of summertime, MSFS is freezing over entire sub-continents. 

Frozen New Zealand (in summertime) - Community / General Discussion - Microsoft Flight Simulator Forums

In this below images it's 22c 🥶

 

I wonder what all the jaysayers say to this? Not immersion breaking? It never stops to amaze me how many MSFS users obviously only use presets, otherwise I do not get how this gamebreaker does not get more attention...

5 hours ago, dresoccer4 said:

It's actually much worse than frozen lakes in the northern hemisphere. Here's a topic I started showcasing how, even in the middle of summertime, MSFS is freezing over entire sub-continents. 

Frozen New Zealand (in summertime) - Community / General Discussion - Microsoft Flight Simulator Forums

In this below images it's 22c 🥶

 

Where in New Zealand were these taken?  Just curious because meteoblue has some snow on the map in one place in New Zealand.

1 hour ago, AnkH said:

I wonder what all the jaysayers say to this? Not immersion breaking? It never stops to amaze me how many MSFS users obviously only use presets, otherwise I do not get how this gamebreaker does not get more attention...

It could be a case that this is not ocurring everywhere.  For example, it snowed overnight where I live, and sure enough there was snow cover on the ground in the sim.  I then saw this thread and decided to look at the meteoblue sea ice map and then go to some places in the sim that should have sea ice. 

I slewed around up from Dutch Harbor northward along the coast and it pretty matched the sea ice map from meteoblue, except the ice is just along the coast.  Same with the Gulf of Bothnia between Finland and Sweden.  Coastal ice where it should be, but no ice as far as I could tell that was non coastal.

I wouldn't say it's completely accurate in the sim and there are occassions where it doesn't match or the data is incorrect but for me personally, it's done pretty well.  I'd like to see better ice textures, maybe broken up ice etc....  but hopefully that will eventually come.  

You are aware that we do not talk about accuracy here? It is freaking 22°C in NZ now, yet the sim displays snow coverage and frozen lakes... freaking ridiculous and immersion breaking as hell. Unless you always fly with weather presets...

15 hours ago, AnkH said:

I wonder what all the jaysayers say to this?

Well, most folks don't live and fly in New Zealand...there's your answer

6 hours ago, AnkH said:

 It is freaking 22°C in NZ now, yet the sim displays snow coverage and frozen lakes... freaking ridiculous and immersion breaking as hell.....

...unless you never fly in New Zealand.

What I am trying to say: one man's trash is another man's shrug of the shoulders.

On 1/16/2022 at 6:16 PM, iliasr said:

Saltwater freezes on -20 c and below , not by -2  or  -7 c ...

According to NOAA, seawater freezes at roughly -2 C

https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/oceanfreeze.html#:~:text=Ocean water freezes at a lower temperature than freshwater.&text=Fresh water freezes at 32,of the salt in it.

This has nothing to do with the rest of this discussion, but I'm hoping to get the science right.....

1 hour ago, jrw4 said:

According to NOAA, seawater freezes at roughly -2 C

https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/oceanfreeze.html#:~:text=Ocean water freezes at a lower temperature than freshwater.&text=Fresh water freezes at 32,of the salt in it.

This has nothing to do with the rest of this discussion, but I'm hoping to get the science right.....

Ok you right if you mean saltwater in refrigerator or static water bodies  but Oceans didn't at -2C

6 minutes ago, iliasr said:

Ok you right if you mean saltwater in refrigerator or static water bodies  but Oceans didn't at -2C

Do you mean air temperature or water temperature? The -2 C number refers to the water temperature near the surface. The air temperature will need to be significantly colder for an extended time period in order to bring down the water temperature down to that point.