Just now, tup61 said:

Correct! However, in its current state the simulated Kodiak won't deliver the correct numbers if you do so: it will only give the right numbers with the lever fully forward. That's the problem. HOWEVER!!! The solution is upcoming! 🙂 The dev just posted a minute or so ago on Discord that he will 'virtually re-rig' (if that's how you say it) the lever so it will stop at the correct (physical viewable) position (which is at the marker!) and still deliver the right numbers! Problem solved! So in a next update or patch we will get the condition lever as the bush pilot has it and we can set it at high idle according to the POH and get the correct numbers at the same time!

The fact remains that the lever doesn't stop at the exact same location in all real world Kodiaks (it's depending on the rigging) but it seems that most levers do stop at the marker: the line above it also seems to indicate that that is the most desired position. It's great that the developer took note of our discussion here and is changing this as we speak! 😉

Can you show us some proof that real world Kodiaks, don't stop at the high idle position, because the Missionary pilot flies several different Kodiaks, and he has instructed two other pilots in Flying Kodiaks, and he says the lever stops at the high idle position because that is the way the aircraft is rigged from the factory. . 

Just now, Bobsk8 said:

Can you show us some proof that real world Kodiaks, don't stop at the high idle position, because the Missionary pilot flies several different Kodiaks, and he has instructed two other pilots in Flying Kodiaks, and he says the lever stops at the high idle position because that is the way the aircraft is rigged from the factory. . 

The dev posted this on Discord! He asked the factory (!) and then said "Regarding travel of the lever: the amount of travel depends on the rigging. On some planes it stops there, on other aircraft it travels further." It can travel further because there is no hard stop (like with the power and prop levers) and it CAN be rigged differently. However, I don't think that means that in real life it travels all the way forward (out of the factory) as it does right now in the simulated Kodiak. I think it mainly means the position isn't exact (because there is no hard stop) but more or less around that marker nonetheless. So I am glad the dev will change this so the levers stops at the marker position as it should (which we can all agree on now, I think).

Just think of it as SWS having given us the Nigel Tufnel edition of the Kodiak and it all makes sense.  I would prefer they don't change the physical animation. so I can keep my condition lever that currently goes to 11.

😁🤘

22 minutes ago, tup61 said:

The dev posted this on Discord! He asked the factory (!) and then said "Regarding travel of the lever: the amount of travel depends on the rigging. On some planes it stops there, on other aircraft it travels further." It can travel further because there is no hard stop (like with the power and prop levers) and it CAN be rigged differently. However, I don't think that means that in real life it travels all the way forward (out of the factory) as it does right now in the simulated Kodiak. I think it mainly means the position isn't exact (because there is no hard stop) but more or less around that marker nonetheless. So I am glad the dev will change this so the levers stops at the marker position as it should (which we can all agree on now, I think).

I guess if this really matters to you you can also install a stop on your throttle quadrant, very easy to do.

It is great that the developer is going to such detail in this model. Though I must say that to me this thread is a bit on the anal side.

I guess some simmers take this more seriously than I do. As is the Kodiak is the best model I have ever flown in any sim, I have simmed since the 80's actually and helped a flight academy purchase and install an FAA approved BATD sim. FS2020 and my setup is more immersive IMHO than any other sim, and the Kodiak feels so real.

1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

The POH manual clearly states that the lever should go to the high idle position. 

Prior to takeoff, move the fuel condition lever forward to the HIGH IDLE position. Leave 
the fuel condition lever in this position until after landing. The HIGH IDLE gas generator 
speeds allow for faster engine acceleration when adding power from an idle condition.
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Hello Bob,

As I posted on Discord, rigging of the lever can differ between aircraft -and this is not coming from me. Why this rigging could differ is something I didn't ask and it doesn't really matter if it happens in reality. What I believe is that it may come down to customer option, just like the AoA indexer, air conditioning and de-icing used to be before Series II.

Now the POH says high idle and also comes with Ng readouts that would be achieved. I am certain that if you had a long-rigged lever and moved it from 54% to 56%, the type instructor who would be training you would tell you to move it all the way forward to reach 68%, or if that is unachievable, take her in for a look. But this is a discussion of form over function.

That said, I have re-rigged the condition lever to only move up to the marking, even though I was told that it can vary among different Kodiaks. If the in-game handling is easy with the mouse, then it might stay "short". If testers find it hard to control or it feels odd for any reason, I will go with the "customer option" and give it longer travel. As both options are technically valid, the end decision will be based on quality-of-life.

Edit: Why do the E360 Kodiaks that Ryan flies stop at that position? E360 has Series I Kodiaks and they were either bought with that rigging, or there was no option available at the time. I avoid getting biased from YouTube videos of aircraft because each aircraft can have small differences due to customer requests, evolution or aging.

The PT6A-27/34 training manual says that the fuel lever rigging is normally from 72 degrees (low idle) to 90 (high idle). The rigging of low idle can be changed as far back as 45 degrees. It does not say why, but the option is there.

Another example is the C208. A type pilot told me that initially, the aircraft required a lot of right rudder input due to its engine's torque. In later models, they modified the design and tilted the engine right by a couple of degrees and re-designing their rudder trim-tab, something that reduced P-Factor and the need for rudder trim. That lesson can be seen on the Kodiak which has had its engine tilted down and right from the beginning. The same applies to the TBM and can be spotted in pictures (the sim version is straight).

Best,

Alex

Edited January 18, 20224 yr by A320_SX ALX
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21 minutes ago, A320_SX ALX said:

Hello Bob,

As I posted on Discord, rigging of the lever can differ between aircraft -and this is not coming from me. Why this rigging could differ is something I didn't ask and it doesn't really matter if it happens in reality. What I believe is that it may come down to customer option, just like the AoA indexer, air conditioning and de-icing used to be before Series II.

Now the POH says high idle and also comes with Ng readouts that would be achieved. I am certain that if you had a long-rigged lever and moved it from 54% to 56%, the type instructor who would be training you would tell you to move it all the way forward to reach 68%, or if that is unachievable, take her in for a look. But this is a discussion of form over function.

That said, I have re-rigged the condition lever to only move up to the marking, even though I was told that it can vary among different Kodiaks. If the in-game handling is easy with the mouse, then it might stay "short". If testers find it hard to control or it feels odd for any reason, I will go with the "customer option" and give it longer travel. As both options are technically valid, the end decision will be based on quality-of-life.

 

Best,

Alex

Well  you have the best aircraft in a flight sim, I have ever flown, and I have been doing this for over 30 years......

On 1/18/2022 at 5:02 PM, A320_SX ALX said:

That said, I have re-rigged the condition lever to only move up to the marking, even though I was told that it can vary among different Kodiaks. If the in-game handling is easy with the mouse, then it might stay "short". If testers find it hard to control or it feels odd for any reason, I will go with the "customer option" and give it longer travel. As both options are technically valid, the end decision will be based on quality-of-life.

Hi Alex, I noticed this change didn't make it in the update...?!

I see 120 sometimes 110 iddle on the ground in this video:

 

Edited March 20, 20224 yr by jcomm

4 minutes ago, jcomm said:

I see 120 in this video

Er... 120 what...?

11 minutes ago, jcomm said:

I see 120 sometimes 110 iddle on the ground in this video:

 

Er... so...?

7 minutes ago, tup61 said:

Er... 120 what...?

TRQ @ iddle on ground ... - relative to the question in the OP of the thread...

Edited March 20, 20224 yr by jcomm

5 minutes ago, jcomm said:

TRQ @ iddle on ground ... - relative to the question in the OP of the thread...

O, haha, LOL, okay. Since this is an old topic I presumed you were reacting to my comment. 😉

It is worth noting that the Kodiaks that Ryan flies have their own personalities.  There is one were he regularly says something like "this aircraft needs full right rudder on take off for some reason" implying that the others are different.

Edited March 20, 20224 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

On 3/20/2022 at 11:50 AM, tup61 said:

Hi Alex, I noticed this change didn't make it in the update...?!

I rolled it back after talking with the in-house pilots, factory and watching some videos.

Long and short travel are both correct and depend on how one wants to rig the lever. Newer planes (and our pilots') seem to have the longer travel, but the deciding factor was usability. It was hard to finely control the condition lever if you wanted to adjust for, say, 58% Ng. On top of that, it was hard to reach with the mouse and visually confirm the position as it was obstructed by the prop lever.

Just to be clear as there seem some confusion in the thread.    Low Idle and High Idle only effect the minimum N1 (compressor section) idle speed when the throttle is full back. It has no effect at other throttle settings.

1. The need for low idle is obvious on the ground, if N1 is too high you are going to be riding the brakes trying to keep taxi speed at a sane level.
    
2. The reason why High idle is recommended in flight for many aircraft include:

• more bleed air for things like air con
• the engine will spool up faster with less lag in situations like a go around