43 minutes ago, cobalt said:

Even without photogrammetry, autogen buildings in MSFS are placed in their correct locations and have the correct footprint.

This can't be emphasized enough!

The MSFS AI extracts a lot of information from the aerial images and applies it to the generated houses, such as footprint, building height, roof type and shape, roof color. The result is much closer to reality than just a 100% invented building as within the other sims.

20 minutes ago, mrueedi said:

1 hour ago, cobalt said:

Even without photogrammetry, autogen buildings in MSFS are placed in their correct locations and have the correct footprint.

This can't be emphasized enough!

Indeed. This is absolutely a game changer. I had been dreaming about this kind of BlackShark AI thing since I was flying FS2004 and here it is the reality in MSFS. Seriously, not so many "dream comes true" thingies in one's life but this is one of them. Unbelievable. 

As it stands I still prefer autogen over the photogrammetry we have now much of the time. Its mind could definitely do with a tweak and when it's bad it's really jarring, but it's generally more pleasing to my eye. 

Some day photogrammetry will be flawless, but it'll never cover vast parts of the world so cleverer autogen will be a must too. 

 

6 hours ago, Noel said:

The higher end 'art' in XP11 does look very nice, but there is a certain artificiality in it that I have a hard time ignoring.  It's almost too good if there is such a thing.

That looks better than MSFS imo.

Austin doesn’t even have to use photogrammetry in XP12 to make the next solid title.
Updated terrain ,water, textures and elevation/telemetry/tessellation, shadows, lighting and clouds.
More performance efficient tree and building autogen and its a buy for me.
As XP11 is still a solid feeling sim on aerodynamics and VR implementation alone.

12 minutes ago, blueshark747 said:

That looks better than MSFS imo....Austin doesn’t even have to use photogrammetry in XP12 to make the next solid title.

It's pretty for sure, but looks too consistent, too artificial, though nicely done for sure.  Contrast it with for example Kansas City MO in MSFS which is probably not the most well-known, sought after places to fly in or out of--yet there is a certain fidelity to the real world that I have yet to feel/experience/see in XP11 screenshots I've seen thusfar, and that I see all over the planet:

 

40 minutes ago, Noel said:

It's pretty for sure, but looks too consistent, too artificial, though nicely done for sure.  Contrast it with for example Kansas City MO in MSFS which is probably not the most well-known, sought after places to fly in or out of--yet there is a certain fidelity to the real world that I have yet to feel/experience/see in XP11 screenshots I've seen thusfar, and that I see all over the planet:

Agreed!

XP11 fails to capture distinct atmospheric moods of places. North America feels like South America etc etc.

The globe in XP11 feels like the same green and brown place all over.

MSFS especially paired with Bijan's Seasons makes for some great unforgettable experiences around the world, especially tropical regions.

I hope one day MSFS gets that sharp LOD all the way to ground zero like the pics you posted above.

 

 

Edited February 1, 20224 yr by blueshark747

23 minutes ago, blueshark747 said:

That looks better than MSFS imo.

Austin doesn’t even have to use photogrammetry in XP12 to make the next solid title.
Updated terrain ,water, textures and elevation/telemetry/tessellation, shadows, lighting and clouds.
More performance efficient tree and building autogen and its a buy for me.
As XP11 is still a solid feeling sim on aerodynamics and VR implementation alone.

Looks nice, but reminds me the "The Sims" game. Anyway its unfair to compare the Modern/Fresh technology of MSFS with any other sim right now. its the future. X-Plane will never use Photogrammetry for the obvious reasons. 

As for aerodynamics, i am sorry i disagree 100% . Storm is coming soon ( Pmdg,Fenix etc) 

 

1 minute ago, blueshark747 said:

XP11 fails to capture distinct atmospheric moods of places

This is such a nebulous aspect to try to describe but I think 'distinct atmospheric moods' is as good as any.  

5 hours ago, cobalt said:

The boldfaced sentence needs a little clarification. Even without photogrammetry, autogen buildings in MSFS are placed in their correct locations and have the correct footprint. Although they may differ somewhat in appearance from the real buildings, they come pretty darn close, certainly far closer than in any earlier sim (where, in most places, you won't even find the streets in your neighborhood properly placed). My own neighborhood doesn't exist at all in other sims; in MSFS everything is right where it should be. 

Whilst I agree to some extent., in areas you are familiar with the autogen differs a lot more than "somewhat" - in our local town my single story semi detached apartment is part of a three story soviet style apartment block, my friend up the roads car port is a little cottage and our local hospital has turned into an office building.

Autogen is fantastic for areas you do not know personally flying in some remote random part of the world. For areas you know well, the shape of the roof may be right but as often as not the rest of it is not quite there.

Photogrammetry when it is working properly is fantastic and spot on almost down to street level.

Edited February 1, 20224 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

4 hours ago, mrueedi said:

This can't be emphasized enough!

The MSFS AI extracts a lot of information from the aerial images and applies it to the generated houses, such as footprint, building height, roof type and shape, roof color. The result is much closer to reality than just a 100% invented building as within the other sims.

You are actually incorrect 🙂

I only just discovered that MS data pertaining to buildings as displayed in MSFS  is now in the public domain. I just downloaded X-America for XPlane and all buildings in MSFS are now displayed in XPlane!!

Edited February 1, 20224 yr by MrBitstFlyer

5 hours ago, FlyIce said:

Indeed. This is absolutely a game changer. I had been dreaming about this kind of BlackShark AI thing since I was flying FS2004 and here it is the reality in MSFS. Seriously, not so many "dream comes true" thingies in one's life but this is one of them. Unbelievable. 

MSFS data pertaining to building location, footprint etc is now public domain and available in X-America for XPlane!  Any building in MSFS is now visible in XPlane.  

Edited February 1, 20224 yr by MrBitstFlyer

7 hours ago, Ricardo41 said:

Out of the box, MSFS has the most realistic looking scenery of all the civilian flight sims. Nothing really compares. 

 

Edited February 1, 20224 yr by MrBitstFlyer

5 hours ago, cobalt said:

6 hours ago, Fielder said:

You know what your friends and relatives houses look like.

In a photogrammetric rendered city MSFS shows the house looking as in reality. In a non photogrammetry city, the houses are generic. Even the large signs on the stores along the streets are correct in photogrammetric areas.

You have to get down close, such as in the drone, to really see the wonder of it all.

The boldfaced sentence needs a little clarification. Even without photogrammetry, autogen buildings in MSFS are placed in their correct locations and have the correct footprint. Although they may differ somewhat in appearance from the real buildings, they come pretty darn close, certainly far closer than in any earlier sim (where, in most places, you won't even find the streets in your neighborhood properly placed). My own neighborhood doesn't exist at all in other sims; in MSFS everything is right where it should be. 

MSFS building data is now in the public domain.  The product X-America (which is free!) for XPlane now uses this data to place autogen buildings in the right place at the right size and right type.

If the building is in MSFS, it is now in XPlane.  

Edited February 1, 20224 yr by MrBitstFlyer

1 hour ago, Seth2021 said:

2 hours ago, blueshark747 said:

That looks better than MSFS imo.

Austin doesn’t even have to use photogrammetry in XP12 to make the next solid title.
Updated terrain ,water, textures and elevation/telemetry/tessellation, shadows, lighting and clouds.
More performance efficient tree and building autogen and its a buy for me.
As XP11 is still a solid feeling sim on aerodynamics and VR implementation alone.

Looks nice, but reminds me the "The Sims" game. Anyway its unfair to compare the Modern/Fresh technology of MSFS with any other sim right now. its the future. X-Plane will never use Photogrammetry for the obvious reasons. 

As for aerodynamics, i am sorry i disagree 100% . Storm is coming soon ( Pmdg,Fenix etc) 

My default sim is MSFS, but I regularly open XPlane to fly my complex aircraft not yet available in MSFS.  When using MSFS the aircraft feel good and its a pleasure to use, but when I go back into XP11 the aircraft feel really good. They have a sense of weight, are not as twitchy and trimming is far far more realistic in many aircraft.  MSFS is great now and will only improve, but I'll disagree with you about the flying experience of MSFS not being quite up to the feel of XP.  However, with MS/Asobo just releasing the news about props, it is just a matter of time until the flight model is even better.

Agreed about it being unfair to compare the two sims with years between them.  XP doesn't do bad with addon scenery.  This video of XP is with all the MSFS building data installed - very surprised when I heard MS had released the building data!

 

2 hours ago, Seth2021 said:

As for aerodynamics, i am sorry i disagree 100% . Storm is coming soon ( Pmdg,Fenix etc) 

You 100% disagree but you have count on and throw in PMDG and Fenix, to feel confident in that 100%🙃

"Storm is coming" for what exactly?

Some of us are still going to love XP11's aerodynamics while loving MSFS's for sweet visuals.

You could wish upon a star for PMDG and Fenix until you're blue in the face maybe XP11's aerodynamics are just uniquely great in their own lane.

Sorry I don't want to confuse and throw off the hamster wheel here with such logic..🤣

 

Edited February 1, 20224 yr by blueshark747