54 minutes ago, fogboundturtle said:

It has cockpit quality of FS2004 standard. This is how bad the VC look. No PBR, No shadow, just awful low texture and low polygon count. 

I really don't think you remember FS2004 correctly.

Just now, Abriael said:

I really don't think you remember FS2004 correctly.

have you seen how bad it looks ? 

4 minutes ago, fogboundturtle said:

have you seen how bad it looks ? 

Yes. I have. It's not top notch, but it's not even close to FS2004. 

This is FS2004.

 

Incidentally, the Concorde's flight deck is pretty crazy in terms of complexity, so it's very possible that DC Design had to make compromises to even make it work at a decent frame rate. In any case, his cockpits improve pretty dramatically as he updates them, so I'll simply do what I expected to do before, which is wait a few weeks of patches before getting it.

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16 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

I watched the stream, and I still have no idea how complex the system modelling is. Fabio (the streamer) was just clueless how to do anything. He literally couldn't find the switches and ended up reloading the plane on the runway. Now that still doesn't tell me what is modelled to what extent, like at all. Even the Virtualcol airliners would seem highly complex when my wife tried to get the engine started... so I'd love someone to stream it who already used the Concorde before, preferably the FSL Concorde.

Probably, the one aspect that bugs me the most. Absolutely no preparation on their part and totally guessing how to fly the aircraft. But I must be in the minority because these types of streams are very popular. If I was a developer, I would personally make sure the streamer knew what they were doing at the controls! 

9 minutes ago, EGLD said:

interesting video up there with it flying the mac loop, but sure not sure I agree when he says who cares if the flight model is realistic as long as he's having fun!

I didn’t pass any comment on that because that isn’t how I would fly Concorde. But I admire his skills because he is a good pilot. Some of his other videos flying low-level around the UK are excellent. Quality flying combined with quality commentary which is something of a rarity on YT. 😉

3 minutes ago, Doering said:

Probably, the one aspect that bugs me the most. Absolutely no preparation on their part and totally guessing how to fly the aircraft. But I must be in the minority because these types of streams are very popular. If I was a developer, I would personally make sure the streamer knew what they were doing at the controls! 

I'm not directly blaming Fabio. I mean I was probably just as clueless the first time I tried to get the Maddog's engines running, but I wasn't trying to preview a product... so I get your point. Maybe I should start streaming, I'd let my one-year-old start the engines and my three-year-old calculate V-speeds, what could possibly go wrong? 🙂

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12 minutes ago, Abriael said:

Yes. I have. It's not top notch, but it's not even close to FS2004. 

This is FS2004.

 

Incidentally, the Concorde's flight deck is pretty crazy in terms of complexity, so it's very possible that DC Design had to make compromises to even make it work at a decent frame rate. In any case, his cockpits improve pretty dramatically as he updates them, so I'll simply do what I expected to do before, which is wait a few weeks of patches before getting it.

Actually , FS2004 looks better than DC Design VC. that's how bad it is.

6 minutes ago, fogboundturtle said:

Actually , FS2004 looks better than DC Design VC. that's how bad it is.

At this point, we'll definitely have to agree to disagree. I understand you may not like what you see, but you've moved from hyperbole to full-fledged nonsense.

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2 minutes ago, fogboundturtle said:

Actually , FS2004 looks better than DC Design VC. that's how bad it is.

I also heavily critisised the visuals myself, but what are you trying to achieve by saying such nonsense?

1 minute ago, fogboundturtle said:

Actually , FS2004 looks better than DC Design VC. that's how bad it is.

That’s an opinion you’re entitled to. Three posts on the perceived flaws of the product. You’ve not said if you’ll be buying it but if you do maybe your opinion will change once installed.

I’m guessing you would have thought the same of the FS Labs Concorde for FSX with the 3.8Gb memory limit.

But that ignores the fact the flight model was the most accurate ever designed. Good enough for the Concorde simulator at the Brooklands Museum near Heathrow.

1 minute ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

That’s an opinion you’re entitled to. Three posts on the perceived flaws of the product. You’ve not said if you’ll be buying it but if you do maybe your opinion will change once installed.

I’m guessing you would have thought the same of the FS Labs Concorde for FSX with the 3.8Gb memory limit.

But that ignores the fact the flight model was the most accurate ever designed. Good enough for the Concorde simulator at the Brooklands Museum near Heathrow.

I didn't talk about any of the simulation aspect of the aircraft as I didn't fly it. I just watch Fabio struggle with it. I am only talking about visual because it's all I can really do at this point. But this is a DC Design aircraft. I am not expecting FSLabs level of simulation from there. The trim didn't even work in the beta Fabio was testing. I know I am being harsh here but this is a direct port from FSX with very little attention to do detail. there is no PBR or Shadow in the cockpit. We are in 2022. You would expect at least the minimal. If this is not a representation of the final product, why show it in such a poor state 2 days before they release it ?

3 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

@DJJose, be aware that the flights over the continental US were flown subsonic. Mach 0.95 around FL350.

Concorde's range is around 3,900 nautical miles so some of your routes would require a stop-over for refuelling.

I suggest if you're new to Concorde you fly the Heathrow - JFK route which is probably the one recommended by the developer. If not, he can best advise.

What type of flight plan can MSFS accept? Same as P3D or a different format? As I use PFPX it's limited as the type of plan it can export as it's no longer supported.

 

I use little nav map and it allows me to create and save a flightplan in msfs format. If the Concorde works as it should, the flight plan should load without hassle.

1 hour ago, fogboundturtle said:

It has cockpit quality of FS2004 standard. This is how bad the VC look. No PBR, No shadow, just awful low texture and low polygon count. 

You don't know FS9 and certainly not MSFS. Check out some FSX/P3D videos of the Concorde and compare them to this new version.

Just now, fogboundturtle said:

I didn't talk about any of the simulation aspect of the aircraft as I didn't fly it. I just watch Fabio struggle with it. I am only talking about visual because it's all I can really do at this point. But this is a DC Design aircraft. I am not expecting FSLabs level of simulation from there. The trim didn't even work in the beta Fabio was testing. I know I am being harsh here but this is a direct port from FSX with very little attention to do detail. there is no PBR or Shadow in the cockpit. We are in 2022. You would expect at least the minimal. If this is not a representation of the final product, why show it in such a poor state 2 days before they release it ?

I haven’t seen much of his video but others have suggested he’s not familiar with how to fly Concorde. This is very different to Boeing and Airbus so I’d take his views and flying skills with a pinch of salt. Wait until @MarkW has tried it because he does know what he’s doing and is an expert on Concorde.

DCD have already said this is not a reference level offering. It’s $40. The FSL one is likely to be three times that price. You’ll get PBR and fully modelled systems if you’re prepared to buy that version for a different simulator.

There has to be a balance between cost, performance and features. It strikes me this ticks all those boxes.

10 minutes ago, DJJose said:

I use little nav map and it allows me to create and save a flightplan in msfs format. If the Concorde works as it should, the flight plan should load without hassle.

See what you get with the product. It should include EGLL-KJFK plus the return and EGLL-TBPB and return.

That second one is right at the limit of Concorde’s range and will push the VFE’s skills to the limit.