6 hours ago, brinx said:

I also felt like Austin at every chance tried to downplay MSFS as not a real simulator while trying to position XPlane for professional pilots. That came across as disingenuous because most SIMMERS know that is not true regardless of how accurate you feel the fight model is. Many real-world pilots, CFI are already using MSFS.

That he did. Probably out of a slightly irked response to the initial sucker punch of "OMG ROFL don't you just love your competition like so much AuSTIN telll me all about iT 'cause i have an xbox ToO don't YOU toOO?!!" That "interviewer" is a tool. He spends a good chunk of his time playing shooter games. He should keep doing exactly that.

Certainly asobo could go get FS2020 FAA certified. It's doubtful they will though. It's good for airliners and autopilots and would be perfectly usable for training purposes. Making study-level cockpit systems is the easy part. It's just a ton of coding. Getting the physics correct enough for an aviation startup to use it as a prototype simulation platform is the hard part. Do we need to dredge up the FS2020 SDK again? It will never fully match XP's flight model. Ever. It will capture autopilots and airliners and everything else that enables oogling scenery. But that's it. 

24 minutes ago, brinx said:

they are going to focus on the professional market

He said they will finally be able to address some items that the pro market needs. Every item on his list was for compatibility with full motion sims and the like, that have specialized projection requirements. Guaranteed most of that will fall on one or two people (Ben and ??). It's not like the entire company will suddenly start working solely on the pro market. The consumer version is 95% of the pro version. So sure, they will focus on pro market, but that is essentially the consumer market as well.

7 hours ago, Sims Smith said:

Or Austin and Anna simply don't really have anything new...

This might be true. I don't know what else they could announce at this point. Orbx upped their poly count in their next product? Bleh. Of course they will. In terms of scenery dev, there's nothing really new to address other than XP12's new lighting model and improved material capabilities. ...which isn't even an Orbx question, other than for them to gush about how good it looks, which the dev did do a couple times.

I'm betting there are more flight model improvements from Austin, but it's probably tons of smallish things that the 'question asker' wouldn't have even comprehended (by his own confession).

4 hours ago, blingthinger said:

So sure, they will focus on pro market, but that is essentially the consumer market as well.

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is bliss.

Austin was never the best example of Marketing...

He does not try to hide X-Plane even when he controls an aircraft without the proper hardware, sometimes using the keyboard in his macbook...

At the same time when he is inspired he can talk passionately about his work and that of LR.

That's what ALSO makes X-Plane a different flight simulation project.

8 hours ago, rka said:

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is bliss.

Yes, I was wrong. What I should have said was:

"So sure, they will focus on pro product, but that is essentially the consumer product as well."

Aside from a range of specialized projection options and a FPS checker (min = 60) in the pro version, what else is there that is different?

9 hours ago, jcomm said:

Austin was never the best example of Marketing...

He does not try to hide X-Plane even when he controls an aircraft without the proper hardware, sometimes using the keyboard in his macbook...

At the same time when he is inspired he can talk passionately about his work and that of LR.

That's what ALSO makes X-Plane a different flight simulation project.

In my view Meyer should sell X-Plane and should have done so three years ago. It's the only way it can realise it's potential. He's done amazingly well to bring it to where it is but his time is up and he should move on. He is now just holding it back and is out of his depth. Likewise  the tired and stale staff who have been there forever. New blood is required. New money. Fresh talent.

 

Edited July 19, 20223 yr by jarmstro

1 hour ago, jarmstro said:

In my view Meyer should sell X-Plane and should have done so three years ago. It's the only way it can realise it's potential. He's done amazingly well to bring it to where it is but his time is up and he should move on. He is now just holding it back and is out of his depth. Likewise  the tired and stale staff who have been there forever. New blood is required. New money. Fresh talent.

And for what? And to who?  What would be the point that?  

To someone with knows nothing about software development but only business experience?

To somebody who will not have the passion that Austin has for aviation?

To someone who knows nothing about aviation and wants to pretend that he does by getting is his pilot licence for the first time?

To someone who's only concern of revenue in order to bleed every nickel and dime out of it and complain our revenue are too low to continue?

To someone who will sell it to the highest bidder when he is done with it after draining all the resource and rest of team is gone for sake of saving money for him?

You will have  new blood, new money and new talent running things right into the ground and it will only become a shadow of itself.

Then you won't have a sim like FSW.

Austin built this sim and it his baby. His team is made up of those who are as passionate about Xplane and their individual contribution as he is. Many of them our flight instructor, their not just getting their pilot licence to prove they are really into aviation or because it became a job requirement but it has been their life. Who would better understand how aircraft works than you team made of passionate developers who live it, eager to bring you next level of realism in a desktop simulator based on first principle physics.      

I wouldn't want it to be any other way. What they do for X Plane we benefit from it.

I could care less how this sim appears to the eye candy crowd who either never use it, don't know how to use it, or have very little appreciation for it. But some will come over and try it out like some have out of curiosity and find themselves appreciating for the difference in the sim and it grows on them like anything else in life and they begin to appreciate for it is.

Thank goodness we have it. 

 

Edited July 19, 20223 yr by BobFS88

55 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

In my view Meyer should sell X-Plane and should have done so three years ago. It's the only way it can realise it's potential. He's done amazingly well to bring it to where it is but his time is up and he should move on. He is now just holding it back and is out of his depth. Likewise  the tired and stale staff who have been there forever. New blood is required. New money. Fresh talent.

I assume, you would do it much better (?), so feel free to take over. How would you run that business? If one criticizes, he should be able to name alternatives or what could be done better.   I await your suggestions (in detail please) ...  😆

4 minutes ago, BobFS88 said:

And for what? And to who?  What would be the point that?  

To someone with knows nothing about software development but only business experience?

To somebody who will not have the passion that Austin has for aviation?

To someone who knows nothing about aviation and wants to pretend that he does by getting is his pilot licence for the first time?

To someone who's only concern of revenue in order to bleed every nickel and dime out of it and complain our revenue are too low to continue?

To someone who will sell it to the highest bidder when he is done with it after draining all the resource and rest of team is gone for sake of saving money for him?

You will have  new blood, new money and new talent running things right into the ground and it will only become a shadow of itself.

Then you won't have a sim like FSW.

Austin built this sim and it his baby. His team is made up of those who are as passionate about Xplane their individual contribution as he is. Many of them our flight instructor, their not just getting their pilot licence to prove they are really into aviation or because it became a job requirement but been their life. Who would better understand how aircraft works than you team made of passionate developers who live it, eager to bring you next level of realism in a desktop simulator based on first principle physics.      

I wouldn't want it to be any other way. What they do for X Plane we benefit from it.

I could care less how this sim appears to the eye candy crowd who either never use it, don't know how to use it, or have very little appreciation for it. But some will come over and try it out like some have out of curiosity and find themselves appreciating for the difference in sim grows on them like anything else in like and begin to appreciate for it is.

Thank goodness we have it. 

 

Meyer is the problem. I've seen it so many times before. It is understandably his baby as you say but his baby has not grown up at sufficient speed because of him. He has sat back on his laurels and failed to invest sufficiently to keep the sim up to date. And he has an admirable loyalty to his staff but they need to be refreshed with better talent.. Meyer should sell up and go.

1 hour ago, jarmstro said:

 

 

Edited July 19, 20223 yr by rka
Should have read all comments before commenting

1 hour ago, jarmstro said:

t is understandably his baby as you say but his baby has not grown up at sufficient speed because of him.

And who are we to say how he wants to grow his business when he has been there for some 30 years.

1 hour ago, jarmstro said:

He has sat back on his laurels and failed to invest sufficiently to keep the sim up to date.

Really?

I guess then the effort from added Vulkan into to sim just magically put itself in there

or   VR added into the sim before the implementation of the new Vulkan api to insure its performance is up in some acceptable level Opengl  and to given them a benchmark baseline to use prior to Vulkan conversion.

or  adding fmod sound that we now enjoy now and further enhance and X Plane 12 

or  adding particle system that set the stage to actually see snow accumulation on the ground or fog in the air or volumetric clouds that everyone has been begging for. 

I can just keep going on and on but hopeful you get the point. I didn't mention all the times he spent trying to improve the flight model since that has been to thing he has encounter but shares that with public to the youtube audience. Who else does that?

 

1 hour ago, jarmstro said:

And he has an admirable loyalty to his staff but they need to be refreshed with better talent.. Meyer should sell up and go.

What kind of talent do you think would be better? What area of expertise would be more suitable to your liking?

If Meyer sale and goes what do we do in the meantime, go to MSFS? 

No thanks.  

  

Edited July 19, 20223 yr by BobFS88

14 minutes ago, rka said:

He should have reinvested profits into the company. Instead he bought planes and Ferraris. 

Well he has and if he didn't then we would not still be here have a conversation about X Plane 12 for anything else he is doing for that matter.

The profits he has made from the revenues he receives from his mobile app is what is fueling is developing income which is not news but always seem the bear repeating. After all he had expanded his development team from 10 to 20 including the ones we saw on the deep dive series that featured Fmod sounds expansion and the new ATC. How could he done that, with monopoly money?

And if he can find himself to afford a few planes and a Ferraris while maintain 20 a so developers on his payroll, I don't think he is doing all that bad at all, unless you think his developers are doing all of this for free. 

 

19 minutes ago, rka said:

The competition is basically unassailable, his own customer base declining,

The ones leaving would be the ones who were never into serious flying in the first place and the ones who remain with a few new ones trying and liking seems to offset that based of user. That outside on the ones who keep both sims doesn't impact him all that much. So I don't know where you are seeing the declining where I see some coming over. But his profession customers don't have to be in huge numbers just to see a profit from it. I believe they are in a totally different category when it comes to what they pay from the average user.  

4 minutes ago, BobFS88 said:

Well he has and if he didn't then we would not still be here have a conversation about X Plane 12 for anything else he is doing for that matter.

The profits he has made from the revenues he receives from his mobile app is what is fueling is developing income which is not news but always seem the bear repeating. After all he had expanded his development team from 10 to 20 including the ones we saw on the deep dive series that featured Fmod sounds expansion and the new ATC. How could he done that, with monopoly money?

And if he can find himself to afford a few planes and a Ferraris while maintain 20 a so developers on his payroll, I don't think he is doing all that bad at all, unless you think his developers are doing all of this for free. 

 

The ones leaving would be the ones who were never into serious flying in the first place and the ones who remain with a few new ones trying and liking seems to offset that based of user. That outside on the ones who keep both sims doesn't impact him all that much. So I don't know where you are seeing the declining where I see some coming over. But his profession customers don't have to be in huge numbers just to see a profit from it. I believe they are in a totally different category when it comes to what they pay from the average user.  

Yeah whatever really. I can't really take the nonsensical arguments from the XP crowd anymore.

And of course you had to put in the "they were never really into flying" thing. It's all so tiresome.

 

3 hours ago, jarmstro said:

In my view Meyer should sell X-Plane and should have done so three years ago. It's the only way it can realise it's potential. He's done amazingly well to bring it to where it is but his time is up and he should move on. He is now just holding it back and is out of his depth. Likewise  the tired and stale staff who have been there forever. New blood is required. New money. Fresh talent.

Disagree with this. If it wasn't for this small team of enthusiastic developers who constantly try to improve the product, I can imagine it would have gone the same way as many sims before it. Whilst Austin isn't to everyone's taste, you can't deny listening to him just how enthusiastic and knowledgable he is about what he is doing, and to lose that would be terrible in my opinion. LR clearly enjoy aviation and realism and it shows in their product and the direction it is going in.