20 minutes ago, Sethos said:

What?

Its fine, I'm sure the standard response for those who run into this problem will be something along the lines of "grab yourself a steam deck or a mac"

 

Edited August 17, 20223 yr by mSparks

1 hour ago, mSparks said:

needs a high version vulkan or metal driver.

So no machines on windows with Intel cards (mac is fine)

I don’t think many people who are serious about flight simulation use Intel CPU based graphics. I’m surprised that even 11 percent of current XP11 uses do. XP12 may lock out “80 percent” of installed Windows machines but not 80 of Windows based flight simmers - most of whom use dedicated Nvidia or AMD GPUs.

Majority of Intel onboard GPUs that could even run X-Plane support Vulkan 1.2 just fine Supported APIs for Intel® Graphics

6 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

I don’t think many people who are serious about flight simulation use Intel CPU based graphics

Relevance to anything I said, or just stating the obvious?

I don't think anyone serious about flight sim would touch microsoft full stop. Plenty of people do.

6 minutes ago, Sethos said:

Majority of Intel onboard GPUs that could even run X-Plane support Vulkan 1.2 just fine Supported APIs for Intel® Graphics

nope, not high enough version, needs silicon they dont have.

3 minutes ago, mSparks said:

nope, not high enough version, needs silicon they dont have.

Intel Graphics Driver 30.0.101.3109 Released (Vulkan 1.3.215) – Update: v101.3113 | Geeks3D

Was added over 2 months ago, Vulkan 1.3, for 6th gen all the way to 12th gen. Don't need special silicon to run it. 

Edited August 17, 20223 yr by Sethos

7 minutes ago, Sethos said:

Intel Graphics Driver 30.0.101.3109 Released (Vulkan 1.3.215) – Update: v101.3113 | Geeks3D

Was added over 2 months ago, Vulkan 1.3, for 6th gen all the way to 12th gen. Don't need special silicone to run it. 

you still need a graphics card that supports it, which you already linked. which on intel is the Arc and Xe range - valve sold more steam decks than people who have those.

https://www.x-plane.com/kb/x-plane-12-system-requirements/

Edited August 17, 20223 yr by mSparks

59 minutes ago, mSparks said:

I'm just pointing out that I expect microsoft NTs marginal lead of 59% of desktops to vanish in XP12 when 10% of XP11 windows users - 80% of windows NT machines - cant even get passed the loading screen.

And that is a good thing?

2 minutes ago, rka said:

And that is a good thing?

For their business and us for sure. 

ms is not their competition, since they dont run on any of the other platforms XP does.

They didnt waste millions of dollars getting it to run on a 50 year old outdated operating system the developer more or less gave up on a decade ago, leaving more to make a great sim.

Edited August 17, 20223 yr by mSparks

10 minutes ago, mSparks said:

you still need a graphics card that supports it, which you already linked. which on intel is the Arc and Xe range - valve sold more steam decks than people who have those.

https://www.x-plane.com/kb/x-plane-12-system-requirements/

You need the appropriate hardware for the 1.3 features but it's backwards compatible via profiling. Vulkan is always backwards compatible with minor releases. LR aren't stupid, of course they aren't going to lock out a huge potential userbase to arbitrarily support the latest Vulkan library.

2 minutes ago, Sethos said:

You need the appropriate hardware for the 1.3 features but it's backwards compatible via profiling. Vulkan is always backwards compatible with minor releases. LR aren't stupid, of course they aren't going to lock out a huge potential userbase to arbitrarily support the latest Vulkan library.

it doesnt run on intel cards on windows, system requirements for desktop are explicitly 

• NVIDIA: NVIDIA GeForce 900 or newer, driver version 510 or newer
• AMD: AMD Radeon RX 500 or newer, driver version Adrenaline 22.2.1or newer

only 20% of windows machines meet those requirements.

Edited August 17, 20223 yr by mSparks

3 minutes ago, mSparks said:

it doesnt run on intel cards on windows, system requirements for desktop are explicitly 

• NVIDIA: NVIDIA GeForce 900 or newer, driver version 510 or newer
• AMD: AMD Radeon RX 500 or newer, driver version Adrenaline 22.2.1or newer

only 20% of windows machines meet those requirements.

Vulkan is backwards compatible and equating total desktop hardware presence with the overlap of what someone who'd actually use a flight sim is dumb, bit like back when you stubbornly argued MSFS would be subscription only because you didn't know what Game Pass was. I remember. 

4 minutes ago, Sethos said:

Vulkan is backwards compatible and equating total desktop hardware presence with the overlap of what someone who'd actually use a flight sim is dumb, bit like back when you stubbornly argued MSFS would be subscription only because you didn't know what Game Pass was. I remember. 

never said msfs would be subscription only though did I.

I said it was being funded on the basis that the vast majority of users would be subscription - and all that entails - all of which came to pass, including several high profile exits from microsofts core team recently 

LR have made no secret of it - if you dont believe me you can check for yourself by checking the vulkan box in xp11 and seeing if it works. there is no vulkan checkbox in 12, it is exclusively vulkan/metal.

Edited August 17, 20223 yr by mSparks

OK, let's get back to the topic, which is the impending release of XP12, and not speculation bordering on the bizarre regarding Mac vs Windows, Vulkan vs DirectX, etc.

We've gone a good long while without the XP forums being used as an echo chamber for a few vocal peoples' pet agendas--time to dial it back and keep it that way.

On 8/16/2022 at 2:26 AM, blingthinger said:

How old is Austin? Given that major versions tend to last 4-5 yrs, this could be his final lap before retirement. If he ever considered such a thing.

No such thing as "retirement" in the software business if it's your own ship. Austin will tinker, tweak and toy on his life projects until all the sugar from those pseudo-coffees he's chugging by the gallon gets the best of him. 😉