3 hours ago, Romeo_Tango said:

Just tried them with SU11 beta at KATL. No takeoffs, they taxi into position and just sit there. Occasionally they taxi slowly down the runway, gradually veering off into the grass then disappearing.

I do see occasional landings, but mostly go-arounds.

Using DX12

KATL is a problem airport for AI. It doesn't matter which AI products you use, AI taxi to the runways and then stack up. This has been an issue every since MSFS put out the enhanced KATL in a WU. If you use the non-WU KATL then it doesn't have those issues.

1 hour ago, Phantoms said:

KATL is a problem airport for AI. It doesn't matter which AI products you use, AI taxi to the runways and then stack up. This has been an issue every since MSFS put out the enhanced KATL in a WU. If you use the non-WU KATL then it doesn't have those issues.

Seems you are quite right. I am currently at KSEA and have seen dozens of departures and a few arrivals.

I have only seen about four arrivals in this time, so I suspect something is not working correctly with SU11 Beta.

Still, I am enjoying these apps. 

Begs the question: If third party developers can get the AI to behave this well, why is it so difficult for ASOBO/MSFS? 

9 minutes ago, Romeo_Tango said:

 

Begs the question: If third party developers can get the AI to behave this well, why is it so difficult for ASOBO/MSFS? 

Exactly!!

9 hours ago, Alvega said:

He said he doesn't see any aircraft landing, so I assumed it's in SU11 (I may be wrong though) because that is a bug with SU11 only. In SU10 aircraft land normally. 

SU10 it was!:)

8 hours ago, Romeo_Tango said:

Begs the question: If third party developers can get the AI to behave this well, why is it so difficult for ASOBO/MSFS? 

This !!!

Although both these proggy's are a big step forward, i still have quite some airplanes blocking the runway after landing which still creates quite a bit go-arounds and low fly-by's.
Just doing some spotting at EBBR, runways 25L and 25R are blocked atm by aircraft not exiting the runway after landing (both EasyJet...do they want to make a statement?).
Creates go-arounds, and already a few blocked airplanes that are ready to take-off but can't by the occupied runways. And then they vanish...

Is that default EBBR or addon? I find that a lot of issues are due to errors in the airport layout, not just with the default airports but also the handcrafted airports from special editions and WUs. We really need a set of good AFCADs. I've been looking into the scenery editor to try it myself but it seems that can get quite complicated. 

With AIFlow/AIGround I find the situation much improved in that it drastically reduces (but does not eliminate) go arounds and taxiing aircraft getting stuck. Maybe it is because I am watching traffic more closely now, but I am noticing perhaps more frequent missed approaches because the AI is too high, and even a few oddities like ATC telling off the AI for taking off without clearance 😃

 

Doing some testing at Drzewiecki's KMDW (no static set in Orbx Central). AIFlow+AIGround (default settings). FSLTL injector set to IFR85 VFR0 parked 0 radius 50km. 10% offline GA (SimFlea). SU10.

I also have aig-aitraffic-oci-beta in the community folder but I deleted all the FAIB folders (FSLTL can't use them anyway as far as I understand - that's 20GB out of more than 40GB). 

I would say most things worked ok. 10 airliners pushed back and started taxiing to the active runways at pretty much the same time. One got stuck in the middle of 13C while crossing it. It started moving again after perhaps 5 minutes.

13R/L seems to be a poor choice for airliners, but I guess that’s on Asobo’s logic. 13L is only 1567m hence AI were not able to get airborne in time. 13R is even worse, being only 1167m and very narrow, lol. 

All 10 AI eventually departed using 13 left, center and right. Have not seen any landings yet, but I see a few on approach to KMDW in littlenavmap.

Taxi speed definitely higher than default. No ground AI collisions and no dancing on the taxiways. I'd say this is a huge improvement from default. 

Edited November 2, 20223 yr by Cpt_Piett

3 hours ago, Johan217 said:

Is that default EBBR or addon?

Tried both, addon is a bit better but still...(used AIFlow, AIGround and FSLTL)
Just had another go with default EBBR. It's not good. Planes use RWY 19 for takeoff and landing while flightradar24 shows that 25L and 25R are in use.
First landing plane didn't exit RWY 19, therefore blocked 2 planes that would take-off on RWY19. When it vanished after time-out, one of the blocked planes moved about 10m and stopped again while the 2nd plane that attempted to land went around, the 3th landed but again didn't exit the runway. Traffic is just a total immersion killer. Lot's of eye-candy in FS2020 but for the rest... i can hardly call it a simulation.

One glaring issue I see with the AI traffic is that it appears that the airport wakes up when you load up. I don't see planes taxing, landing and departing when I load up, and all the planes are waiting for pushback. I don't get the feeling I am entering an airport that is already alive, but rather my entering the airport is what brings it to life. Not saying this has anything to do with FSLTL or the other add-ons.  

1 hour ago, RobJC said:

One glaring issue I see with the AI traffic is that it appears that the airport wakes up when you load up. I don't see planes taxing, landing and departing when I load up, and all the planes are waiting for pushback. I don't get the feeling I am entering an airport that is already alive, but rather my entering the airport is what brings it to life. Not saying this has anything to do with FSLTL or the other add-ons.  

In SU11 with the new AI logic this doesn't happen as AI can spawn anywhere on the ground. 

3 hours ago, Lange_666 said:

Planes use RWY 19 for takeoff and landing while flightradar24 shows that 25L and 25R are in use.

That has everything to do with MSFS and is nothing AIFlow/AIGround can change as far as I know.

3 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

In SU11 with the new AI logic this doesn't happen as AI can spawn anywhere on the ground. 

I am running SU11 and do not see any activity outside the gates when i load up. I am not running MSFS built-in Traffic, just using FSLTL. 

1 hour ago, Johan217 said:

That has everything to do with MSFS and is nothing AIFlow/AIGround can change as far as I know.

Agree. Nothing to do about it AFAIK. As I (maybe) mentioned earlier in this thread, I did some testing at OMDB the other day, and both runway directions for 12L/30R were in use simultaneously. It was painful to watch 🤯

21 hours ago, Romeo_Tango said:

Seems you are quite right.

They broke KATL quite some time ago with the WU that included enhanced KATL. AIG even put out a report about it ( http://www.alpha-india.net/2022/04/11/us-world-update-handcrafted-airport-ai-check/ ). Asobo has yet to even acknowledge it even though they've been made aware of it. I doubt they will fix it with SU11 and the following WU.  They seem content to let it stay broken like they have for so long. And to think this airport that's one of the busiest in the world, is one of MSFS's showcase airports. They even put it out knowing another developer was working on KATL, but have left it broken since.

Edited November 2, 20223 yr by Phantoms

14 minutes ago, Phantoms said:

another developer was working on KATL

Which developer and are they still planning on releasing?