36 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

I do not have any issues with ILS in the sim or in real life buddy lol

You have never come across erroneous glide slope info in flight simulator?

37 minutes ago, Jazz said:

You have never come across erroneous glide slope info in flight simulator?

As I mentioned before I usually keep my proficiency shooting approaches at the same airports I do IRL. I have not found any discrepancies in the sim except marker beacons that still exists in MSFS are long gone in real life . Nowadays we use WAAS GPS to identify approach, fixes gs intercept and so on

4 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

As I mentioned before I usually keep my proficiency shooting approaches at the same airports I do IRL. I have not found any discrepancies in the sim except marker beacons that still exists in MSFS are long gone in real life . Nowadays we use WAAS GPS to identify approach, fixes gs intercept and so on

That may explain why you have not encountered them I suppose. The problem isn't as bad as it used to be but these iffy glideslopes do certainly still exist in the sim.

I was wondering about marker beacons the other day as it happens. I wondered if it was still a thing.

23 minutes ago, Jazz said:

That may explain why you have not encountered them I suppose. The problem isn't as bad as it used to be but these iffy glideslopes do certainly still exist in the sim.

I was wondering about marker beacons the other day as it happens. I wondered if it was still a thing.

I think MSFS is still using the marker beacon database inherited from FSX. Most of those beacons were decommissioned years ago in r/w. Unfortunately even with the Navigraph nav data update for MSFS, those (now) non-existent marker beacons will still be there in the sim, because they are stored directly in the base scenery BGLs, unlike the rest of the navaids (like VORs NDBs and ILSs.)

2 hours ago, JRBarrett said:

I think MSFS is still using the marker beacon database inherited from FSX.

No, it is not. It has been updated, somewhat recently. So has the magvar data.

If folks have examples of broken ILS glideslopes, I would certainly be curious. We do so much autopilot work and I haven't seen one not hit the 1000ft marker on the GS in forever.

Edited January 8, 20233 yr by MattNischan

I think, irrespective of ILS or PAPI, reality or simulation, you're either a pilot or a pancake........................... 🙃🤪

4 minutes ago, SierraHotel said:

I think, irrespective of ILS or PAPI, reality or simulation, you're either a pilot or a pancake........................... 🙃🤪

Thank you for your helpful contribution. 

1 hour ago, SierraHotel said:

I think, irrespective of ILS or PAPI, reality or simulation, you're either a pilot or a pancake........................... 🙃🤪

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Why have those who claim that most ILS approaches are incorrect have not provided a few prominent examples? It would be that easy to confirm! So please, I just want to check.

I recall dozens of ILS Approaches in the last few weeks. I remember LKPR, EDDP, EDDN, EDDF, LFST, LFPO, EGLC, EGLL, EGGP, EGPH, EGPE, EGPB and several other airports where the Jeppeson charts and the actual glideslopes, localizers and frequencies where always identical. Have I missed something?

Edited January 8, 20233 yr by crimplene

13 hours ago, Jazz said:

You have never come across erroneous glide slope info in flight simulator?

How do you check the glide slope for a problem?

Which airport / approach / glide slope did you last have a problem with?

What was the problem?

 

 

I had this happen on 24R at KLAX the last time I flew. I used the PAPI to continue the landing.

For me the mis-aligned ILS is random, like the runway / taxiway tears that launch your aircraft into the air when you roll over them. Whenever the ILS is wrong, though, it's comically wrong; The 24R @ LAX misalignment wanted me to land in a backyard a few blocks short of the field.

Edited January 8, 20233 yr by WestAir

8 minutes ago, crimplene said:

Why have those who claim that most ILS approaches are incorrect

I may have missed it but I don't think anyone said "most" were.

I can't give you an example because I don't keep a record of when I see one and as I previously mentioned it was something I got used to and learned to ignore a long time ago. I did encounter one recently though.

We are not just saying it to get put ourselves in a contrary postion to those that have not encountered or noticed it. What on earth would be the point?

11 minutes ago, vonmar said:

How do you check the glide slope for a problem?

Which airport / approach / glide slope did you last have a problem with?

What was the problem?

 

 

Because the glideslope information is incorrect and leads you short or long on the runway and/or becomes erratic, as has been explained.

As I just mentioned in my post above. I don't keep a notebook next to my yoke so I can write down the offending airport when I encounter one.

7 minutes ago, Jazz said:

Because the glideslope information is incorrect and leads you short or long on the runway and/or becomes erratic, as has been explained.

As I just mentioned in my post above. I don't keep a notebook next to my yoke so I can write down the offending airport when I encounter one.

I would like to test the KLAX ILS 24R.

This would be the default KLAX, correct?

Which aircraft did you use to fly the approach and glide slope?

"Because the glideslope information is incorrect "

What was incorrect?

 

8 minutes ago, vonmar said:

I would like to test the KLAX ILS 24R.

This would be the default KLAX, correct?

Which aircraft did you use to fly the approach and glide slope?

"Because the glideslope information is incorrect "

What was incorrect?

 

Hey Vonmar, that was me not Jazz.

I used the Fenix A320, KORD-KLAX. Default scenery. I was initially following the glideslope but once I had all 4 Papi glaring red I kicked off the AP and leveled off for a bit, before landing using the Papi. I dunno if this is a situation where ultra long 5 hour flights can cause hiccups, and short ones don't, because I get ILS problems like this fairly frequently. Maybe one in five approaches.

Contributing factors could be that I sometimes surpass my simconnect limit during long flights and land with no AI traffic and terminals with no jetways. I also sometimes have to re-activate photogammy once or twice due to the connection dropping due to server loads.

Next time it happens, I'll take a video for you guys. Maybe I'll boot up MSFS and give'er a whirl today. Cheers!

Edited January 8, 20233 yr by WestAir