January 15, 20233 yr Moderator 4 minutes ago, jarmstro said: May treat myself when I retire in August. For me it's the climb with afterburners and Mach 2 that I would like. Do it. You won't regret the experience. You have reheats for all take-offs of course irrespective of distance or weight. The next best experience is FS Labs Concorde which is definitely 'study level' but you may have a long wait for the MSFS version. Ray (Cheshire, England). System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke, Fulcrum Throttle Quadrant. Cheadle Hulme Weather website.
January 15, 20233 yr Since we're sharing stories of licensed simulators, back in 2010 (when the Icelandic volcano caused flights in Europe and all TATL to be cancelled), I did a 1-hour session in a 737 full-motion sim at British Airways' training centre. Graphics, as well as both wind and engine sounds were terrible (what I had installed in FS9 was far superior). Yet, if it wasn't for PMDG's original 737 add-on, I would not have enjoyed the session nearly as much. I knew what each function on the MCP did and how to operate them, I knew my flap extension speeds for landing, plus approximate pitch and power settings. I performed 6 'traffic patterns' and made 6 acceptable landings (if I say so myself) in ever more challenging conditions as the session went on. I also performed the rwy 08 Circle to Land approach at LOWI in spite of it not being one of BA's destinations (even advised the instructor what the approach should look like), plugging in data into the FIX page in FMC to give a visual assist on the ND to show the distance from and circle element of that particular approach. None of that would have been possible without PMDG making the 737 'study level'. Yes, the term can be just a marketing ploy, elitist, misused, overused, etc. Yet, it is a well-known term that won't disappear and gives a guide as to whether an aircraft (airliner or single engine GA) is sophisticated/detailed enough to replicate the characteristics and systems of said aircraft. In the same way, naming an add-on a 'Ctrl + E' aircraft also distinguishes what an aircraft is capable, or more correctly, not capable of delivering. Edited January 15, 20233 yr by F737MAX AMD Ryzen 5800X3D; MSI RTX 3080 Ti ; 32GB Corsair 3200 MHz; ASUS VG35VQ 35" (3440 x 1440) Fulcrum One yoke; Thrustmaster TCA Captain Pack Airbus edition; MFG Crosswind rudder pedals; miniCockpit FCU; CPFlight MCP 737; Logitech FIP x3; TrackIR MSFS; Fenix A320; A2A PA-24; HPG H145; PMDG 737-600; AIG; RealTraffic; PSXTraffic; FSiPanel; REX AccuSeason Adv; FSDT GSX Pro; FS2Crew RAAS Pro; FS-ATC Chatter
January 15, 20233 yr 25 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said: Do it. You won't regret the experience. You have reheats for all take-offs of course irrespective of distance or weight. The next best experience is FS Labs Concorde which is definitely 'study level' but you may have a long wait for the MSFS version. £300 for one hour or £700 for two hours with lunch. I'm going to book the full whack as a treat for September. Thanks for the heads up Ray
January 15, 20233 yr 3 hours ago, jarmstro said: A study level armchair presumably?😀 Yes, preferably a Shackleton! 787 captain. Previously 24 years on 747-400.Technical advisor on PMDG 747 legacy versions QOTS 1 , FS9 and Aerowinx PS1.
January 16, 20233 yr I often study certain topics why in the simulator. Does that count? 7800+4090+64ram Just Flight RJ, 146 and F28, Piper Arrows ---A2A Aerostar and Comanche---Black Square Starship, Duke(s), TBM, Bonanza/BaronV2, KingAir---FSReborn FSR500---COWS Da42---FX P180, HJet & VJet---FlySimWare Chancellor and LearJet---FlightSimStudio EMB175 &P2006T---Fenix 320---PMDG DC6, 737(700+900), 777---C22J---Milviz Cessna 310 & Porter---SimWorksStudios Kodiak, PC12, Zenith & RV14---BigRadials Goose---IndiaFoxEcho MB3339+F35.
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January 20, 20233 yr I always though initially ‘study level’ meant the aircraft was realistic enough (in systems and possibly also handling) that pilots could use it to “study” for a type rating on that aircraft. As no aircraft really are, except perhaps some of the more simple aircraft, and devs are fed up with people who fly the aircraft for real pointing this out, the term has largely been dropped now by developers and replaced by “high fidelity”.
January 20, 20233 yr 36 minutes ago, Gstove said: the term has largely been dropped now by developers and replaced by “high fidelity” And not a moment too soon. The people's flag is deepest red.
January 20, 20233 yr 2 minutes ago, DeepestRed said: And not a moment too soon. Having said that, Microsoft/asobo have used it in one of the recent intro screens (as the game’s loading) I think it says “study level airliners” with a picture of the A310. inibuilds themselves seem to avoid saying study level and instead use the phrase “on the line” now.
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