First Look at New Zealand update

[Farlis 2,288]

20 minutes ago, Nemo said:

I'm wondering what they did learn from latest WU (Canada). Didn'd Jorg say in one of the latests twitch sessions that something like that (WU Canada) will not happen again?

It did not. The PG is amazing. People who claim it is not are having bandwith connection problems.

[crimplene 634]

I don't think I have ever seen a better PG, to be honest.

[pmb 5,137]

I agree. I have a 100 MBit/s connection and Photogrammetry in Auckland, Wellington, and Christchurch, that's what I tried with a chopper, looks great. No molten post-nucelar-war buildings like I still see in London.

Kind regards, Michael 

[hanhamreds 592]

anyone else getting CTD when loading Auckland discovery flight?

had a quick scan of posts and couldn’t see this mentioned. 

[brucewtb 249]

8 hours ago, pmb said:

I agree. I have a 100 MBit/s connection and Photogrammetry in Auckland, Wellington, and Christchurch, that's what I tried with a chopper, looks great. No molten post-nucelar-war buildings like I still see in London.

Kind regards, Michael 

I have the same connection speed but NZWN is a molten mess in the surrounding suburbs with PG enabled.  I can deal with PG not working in city centres (I just avoid them) but in this case it is just so in your face and unavoidable particularly from RWY16.  I could get a faster connection but it is unclear whether this would help.  If there are any other tricks to getting PG working I am all ears.

Bruce

[pmb 5,137]

This is how the Wellington City Center looks like on my system

This is from an insane height of 1000 ft where I doubt I'd be allowed to fly there. You certainly can zoom in and find irregularities, but that's not how it's intended to be used. I find this sufficient for flying in a proper height. Not great but sufficient. That's just what PG can deliver those days, and in no way does it compare to London, also w.r.t to the colors.

There are a few houses close to the airport which indeed look bad from closeup  upon takeoff but I am sure FB will take care of them in an update.

I made a lot of experimenting with PG when the London "Upgrade" was released, and the outcome was nil. Neither did caching on/off help nor did the new system I got in the meantime. Low bandwidth plus a weak CPU can certainly make things worse, but according to my experience it's basically in the data. Where MS can source good raw data, it looks acceptable, where they can't it doesn't (and they better should avoid such cities IMO).

If you ask for tricks, a factor often overlooked is the in-game Zoom setting. You can make every photogrammetry look bad by choosing a sufficiently high zoom factor. Mine (80) is certainly borderline already.

Kind regards, Michael

[Bert Pieke 7,585]

16 hours ago, brucewtb said:

I have the same connection speed but NZWN is a molten mess in the surrounding suburbs with PG enabled.  I can deal with PG not working in city centres (I just avoid them) but in this case it is just so in your face and unavoidable particularly from RWY16.  I could get a faster connection but it is unclear whether this would help.  If there are any other tricks to getting PG working I am all ears.

Bruce

Try just deleting PG Cities from the WU12 update.  Leave PG enabled in the sim.

[brucewtb 249]

6 hours ago, Bert Pieke said:

Try just deleting PG Cities from the WU12 update.  Leave PG enabled in the sim.

Will this help with NZWN where the buildings now in PG are part of the airport scenery?  Hopefully FB will come up with a fix.  I guess my problem is that I am very familiar with NZWN and its surrounds in real life I know what the buildings look like(mostly residential homes in the Californian bungalow style).  FB did a great job with NZWN it is a shame to have it ruined with buggy PG.

Bruce

[Bert Pieke 7,585]

2 minutes ago, brucewtb said:

Will this help with NZWN where the buildings now in PG are part of the airport scenery?  Hopefully FB will come up with a fix.  I guess my problem is that I am very familiar with NZWN and its surrounds in real life I know what the buildings look like(mostly residential homes in the Californian bungalow style).  FB did a great job with NZWN it is a shame to have it ruined with buggy PG.

Bruce

Try it.. and report back!

[JaseMelbo 387]

On 2/28/2023 at 4:10 AM, hanhamreds said:

anyone else getting CTD when loading Auckland discovery flight?

had a quick scan of posts and couldn’t see this mentioned. 

I had an issue with loading into NZAA from Flightbeam until I removed this freeware scenery - lswainstudiosnz-airport-nzar-auckland.

Just thought it might be worth mentioning in case you have these sceneries.  Could help.

Jase

[brucewtb 249]

Now just to elaborate as others have noted the PG of the downtown Wellington area is very good but if you fly over the city you will notice that quality deteriorates markedly as you move across the surrounding residential areas including the area around the airport - which is the problem.  I think a number of the buildings in the CBD must be hand crafted because if you turn off PG at first glance it looks much the same - you have to look closely to spot the differences.  I take it that you can't just turn off PG for Wellington - you would need to delete the entry in Content Manager for NZ PG cities - thus removing all PG content for NZ?

Bruce

[El Diablito 328]

3 hours ago, brucewtb said:

I think a number of the buildings in the CBD must be hand crafted because if you turn off PG at first glance it looks much the same - you have to look closely to spot the differences. 

I guess this was the point I tried to make (badly) earlier in the thread. With PG turned off for me NZWN looks incredibly detailed and sharp, the buildings around the airport are well modeled and the CBD area is as good as it gets imo. For now I don't see the point of turning on PG and risk losing that fidelity. I guess it works for some and doesn't for others, the reasons don't seem to be well known but its not as simple as "You have a bandwidth problem" - I have an excellent download and upload connection and still have problems with PG.

[The Moose 1,177]

From my end the NZ PG is the best in the sim.  

[AnkH 2,268]

7 minutes ago, El Diablito said:

I have an excellent download and upload connection and still have problems with PG.

Define "excellent", I have 800-1000 Mbps download rate and never any issues with PG. Around NZWN yes, but I am sure this will be fixed sooner or later by Flightbeam. 

[yankeegolf3 51]

Hello,

When I first flew over Auckland, the scenery was awful with melted buidings all over the place. I have a poor internet connection. PG is on. I have a 1070 video card. I tried enabling the scenery cache and the rendition was excellent. Isn'it why the scenery cache is implemented?

As a side note, I am always impressed by the power of the computations that are required to display so many details, buildings, trees, lightings, shadows, terrain, clouds, cockpit view, everything in a dynamic enviroment. For someone who studied 8 bit microprocessors in the early eighties, I find it mind blowing!

Edited March 1, 2023 by yankeegolf3
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