@Bobsk8: Thank you so much for posting a link to the video. You saved me an entire weekend of trying to figure out what was wrong with the Operations Center. In a perhaps related matter -- or perhaps unrelated matter -- I had trouble loading the Operations Center several days ago and only made it function after enabling a Windows 8 backward compatibility mode. Today, however, it wouldn't work at all until I followed the advice in the video you posted. Again, you saved the day for me.

16 minutes ago, ThomseN_inc said:

Oh i had so much fun reading through this thread. Thank you for that.

 

For the guys who are flying the 737-700 there is a great little app in the appstore called "TOPER free" it calculates intersection takeoffs, assumed temperature and derated takeoffs as well as takes into account wind, air pressure and temperatures, anti ice and packs. Only drawback is that its only for the 700. 

I am using it ever since and it serves me extremely well. You might want to give it a try.

Happy landings!

https://toper-web.com/

To be honest most carriers now use an EFB. Regardless if it’s built in or a tablet. They all use charts some use for performance and other important assets. Take a look at Big Ern on YouTube some of the things you can do on his tablet is pretty impressive. Personally use to mimic real world operations best I can. I also have been using the Virtual takeoff performance from the xplane store and seems decent enough for the time being also means I don’t need another program on a different screen it can all be done on one. So I would say it’s a must need.

Look at Aerosoft also bringing an EFB…..

Edited February 25, 20233 yr by carlanthony24

I wonder if some people think you have to use derated takeoff power to 'properly' do a takeoff? The 737 can use full power for takeoff just fine. The derate is used in the real world to save fuel, reduce engine wear and tear, noise abatement and 'perhaps' passenger comfort. None of these are 'necessary' in flight simulator. I do get that it's interesting to simulate the real world procedures, but it's not like you are doing something wrong by taking off with full power. You can always calculate the derate and V-Speeds yourself as the tables are in the FCOM manuals.

I only say this because I've read some comments where people won't even fly the 737 because there is no EFB so they have no idea what takeoff power to use. To each their own obviously, but they may be overthinking it. When in doubt, use all of it.

1 minute ago, rjquick said:

I wonder if some people think you have to use derated takeoff power to 'properly' do a takeoff? The 737 can use full power for takeoff just fine. The derate is used in the real world to save fuel, reduce engine wear and tear, noise abatement and 'perhaps' passenger comfort. None of these are 'necessary' in flight simulator. I do get that it's interesting to simulate the real world procedures, but it's not like you are doing something wrong by taking off with full power. You can always calculate the derate and V-Speeds yourself as the tables are in the FCOM manuals.

I only say this because I've read some comments where people won't even fly the 737 because there is no EFB so they have no idea what takeoff power to use. To each their own obviously, but they may be overthinking it. When in doubt, use all of it.

It's a matter of variation and keeping things new and interesting. Take off can always be different when derating. I can't imagine anyone thinking that they couldn't fly the thing without it.

5 minutes ago, rjquick said:

I wonder if some people think you have to use derated takeoff power to 'properly' do a takeoff? The 737 can use full power for takeoff just fine. The derate is used in the real world to save fuel, reduce engine wear and tear, noise abatement and 'perhaps' passenger comfort. None of these are 'necessary' in flight simulator. I do get that it's interesting to simulate the real world procedures, but it's not like you are doing something wrong by taking off with full power. You can always calculate the derate and V-Speeds yourself as the tables are in the FCOM manuals.

I only say this because I've read some comments where people won't even fly the 737 because there is no EFB so they have no idea what takeoff power to use. To each their own obviously, but they may be overthinking it. When in doubt, use all of it.

The derates are just one click selections for takeoff and climb on the Init page in the FMC

7 minutes ago, rjquick said:

I wonder if some people think you have to use derated takeoff power to 'properly' do a takeoff? The 737 can use full power for takeoff just fine. The derate is used in the real world to save fuel, reduce engine wear and tear, noise abatement and 'perhaps' passenger comfort. None of these are 'necessary' in flight simulator. I do get that it's interesting to simulate the real world procedures, but it's not like you are doing something wrong by taking off with full power. You can always calculate the derate and V-Speeds yourself as the tables are in the FCOM manuals.

I only say this because I've read some comments where people won't even fly the 737 because there is no EFB so they have no idea what takeoff power to use. To each their own obviously, but they may be overthinking it. When in doubt, use all of it.

So they don't know how to use the FMC. 

10 minutes ago, carlanthony24 said:

Take a look at Big Ern on YouTube

All the aviation videos I watch on YouTube and YouTube has never once seen fit to suggest that channel to me.

Thank's for mentioning it. Looks interesting. There are not many pilots on there that are or are allowed to be open about what company they work for. I shall enjoy this little rabbit hole.

Just now, Jazz said:

All the aviation videos I watch on YouTube and YouTube has never once seen fit to suggest that channel to me.

Thank's for mentioning it. Looks interesting. There are not many pilots on there that are or are allowed to be open about what company they work for. I shall enjoy this little rabbit hole.

Welcome definitely a good take on things

2 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

So they don't know how to use the FMC. 

That's not the case, Bob. It's that the FMC can't do the calculations the Perf calc can. You may be fine with choosing DR-1 and CL-1 and starting from the end of the RWY but some of us would like to do an assumed temp take off from an intersection closer to the gate we left from. It just makes it more interesting.

 

4 minutes ago, Jazz said:

All the aviation videos I watch on YouTube and YouTube has never once seen fit to suggest that channel to me.

Thank's for mentioning it. Looks interesting. There are not many pilots on there that are or are allowed to be open about what company they work for. I shall enjoy this little rabbit hole.

https://www.youtube.com/@737NGDriver

Just now, Bobsk8 said:

 

https://www.youtube.com/@737NGDriver

Been a long time watcher or Emi, Bob. Some great insight on that channel.

1 minute ago, Jazz said:

That's not the case, Bob. It's that the FMC can't do the calculations the Perf calc can. You may be fine with choosing DR-1 and CL-1 and starting from the end of the RWY but some of us would like to do an assumed temp take off from an intersection closer to the gate we left from. It just makes it more interesting.

In all my years of flying IRL, I never did an intersection takeoff. A good friend of mine who was a retired B 52 instructor and used to go flying with me, always told me to go to the end of the runway and I do the same in the sim. Another minute or two is no big deal. 

3 minutes ago, Jazz said:

Been a long time watcher or Emi, Bob. Some great insight on that channel.

Yeah, I started watching his videos when I got the 737 a couple of weeks ago, and he corrected some bad habits that I would have gotten into, if not for his videos. 

1 minute ago, Bobsk8 said:

In all my years of flying IRL, I never did an intersection takeoff. A good friend of mine who was a retired B 52 instructor and used to go flying with me, always told me to go to the end of the runway and I do the same in the sim. Another minute or two is no big deal. 

Just take a look at the big airports. We do intersection takeoffs every day.