28 minutes ago, Lotharen said:

I don't see why it would take 12 weeks to make a non-winglet model. They can copy the current model, duplicate and just fix the wing tips. Can't imagine that taking more than an afternoon.

ooof,,,,thats very thin ice you are walking on here.

4 minutes ago, Jazz said:

And a 737 with winglets is not the same as one without them. If it were they wouldn't bother putting them on in the first place.

So PMDG is lying when they say it will take them 12 weeks then?

I'm pleased that PMDG do not indulge visual guff without substance. It's the details they adhere to that has kept me a loyal customer. Such empty nonsense would devalue their brand and reputation.

 

The heavy work has already been done with the FDE modeling as is with the winglets.  Winglets are an enhancement that improves field performance slightly and improved fuel burn in some circumstances.  It does not completely change how the plane flies.  If they did the plane would never have been certified to fly with them.

If PMDG was so detailed did they create a seperate FDE for the satellite dome?  I bet they did not!

The satellite dome gives you a slight aerodynamic penalty that affects fuel burn.  Not enough to bother with especially with the fidelity in MSFS but for the most part the logic applies to a non winglet model as well.  It could totally be a cosmetic change only and the world is not going to burn up because of it.  You can go ahead and rewrite the FDE just so its more detailed but you are never going to feel the difference in MSFS anyway.

PMDG just does not want to be bothered doing it.  Its not 12 weeks unless they spend 1 hour a day doing it.  I give it one week at most.  Its not that they are lying directly they again just can't be bothered and that was the excuse given!   

6 minutes ago, longhaul747 said:

 

The heavy work has already been done with the FDE modeling as is with the winglets.  Winglets are an enhancement that improves field performance slightly and improved fuel burn in some circumstances.  It does not completely change how the plane flies.  If they did the plane would never have been certified to fly with them.

If PMDG was so detailed did they create a seperate FDE for the satellite dome?  I bet they did not!

The satellite dome gives you a slight aerodynamic penalty that affects fuel burn.  Not enough to bother with especially with the fidelity in MSFS but for the most part the logic applies to a non winglet model as well.  It could totally be a cosmetic change only and the world is not going to burn up because of it.  You can go ahead and rewrite the FDE just so its more detailed but you are never going to feel the difference in MSFS anyway.

PMDG just does not want to be bothered doing it.  Its not 12 weeks unless they spend 1 hour a day doing it.  I give it one week at most.  Its not that they are lying directly they again just can't be bothered and that was the excuse given!   

PMDG doesn't need me to defend them. I think the quality and consistency of their work over the decades does that for itself. I also think that the integrity of that work answers the questions you are raising and the accusations you're making.

27 minutes ago, Jazz said:

PMDG doesn't need me to defend them. I think the quality and consistency of their work over the decades does that for itself. I also think that the integrity of that work answers the questions you are raising and the accusations you're making.

They make great stuff. I skipped the 800 and went for the 900. Between this, the 700 and DC6 have been my favorite for airliners. Fun trips across country, Hawaii etc.

What people forget is that Asobo updates the sim pretty often, hot fixes included. This tends to disrupt higher fidelity planes at times. Not all of them. When this happens, the developers have to play keepup. If everybody is complaining about how long it's taking....keep in mind most of them have careers, family etc. The complaining online here is getting ridiculous.

EFB is in the works and if you don't want to use it then nobody should be bothered by something so petty. I will welcome it for charts etc as I really got used to that in a previous sim.

Edited February 26, 20233 yr by Sonosusto

23 hours ago, jarmstro said:

....but it does need an EFB. It really does.

Enhanced Flooded Battery ?

58 minutes ago, longhaul747 said:

 

The heavy work has already been done with the FDE modeling as is with the winglets.  Winglets are an enhancement that improves field performance slightly and improved fuel burn in some circumstances.  It does not completely change how the plane flies.  If they did the plane would never have been certified to fly with them.

If PMDG was so detailed did they create a seperate FDE for the satellite dome?  I bet they did not!

The satellite dome gives you a slight aerodynamic penalty that affects fuel burn.  Not enough to bother with especially with the fidelity in MSFS but for the most part the logic applies to a non winglet model as well.  It could totally be a cosmetic change only and the world is not going to burn up because of it.  You can go ahead and rewrite the FDE just so its more detailed but you are never going to feel the difference in MSFS anyway.

PMDG just does not want to be bothered doing it.  Its not 12 weeks unless they spend 1 hour a day doing it.  I give it one week at most.  Its not that they are lying directly they again just can't be bothered and that was the excuse given!   

So explain why people have been asking Fenix to come out with winglets, and they have been working on it for months and still are apparently. 

30 minutes ago, Sonosusto said:

They make great stuff. I skipped the 800 and went for the 900. Between this, the 700 and DC6 have been my favorite for airliners. Fun trips across country, Hawaii etc.

What people forget is that Asobo updates the sim pretty often, hot fixes included. This tends to disrupt higher fidelity planes at times. Not all of them. When this happens, the developers have to play keepup. If everybody is complaining about how long it's taking....keep in mind most of them have careers, family etc. The complaining online here is getting ridiculous.

EFB is in the works and if you don't want to use it then nobody should be bothered by something so petty. I will welcome it for charts etc as I really got used to that in a previous sim.

Try Avliasoft EFB. charts for everywhere you fly, and they are easier to use then Navigraph Charts. 

1 hour ago, Lotharen said:

I don't see why it would take 12 weeks to make a non-winglet model. They can copy the current model, duplicate and just fix the wing tips. Can't imagine that taking more than an afternoon.

It is not just the visual model. No winglets influence the landing and takeoff performance, cruse speed vs. fuel burn for any given thrust setting etc. A lot of internal performance data would have to be modified.

Just now, JRBarrett said:

It is not just the visual model. No winglets influence the landing and takeoff performance, cruse speed vs. fuel burn for any given thrust setting etc. A lot of internal performance data would have to be modified.

I have been educated! Thank you everyone. I was just thinking from a modeling perspective and didn't take into consideration that a new flight model would be needed as well. 

18 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Try Avliasoft EFB. charts for everywhere you fly, and they are easier to use then Navigraph Charts. 

The point about the PMDG EFB is that there isn't one. When almost every other addon plane I have bought does have an EFB with varying degrees of functionality. It's become the norm.

2 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

The point about the PMDG EFB is that there isn't one. When almost every other addon plane I have bought does have an EFB with varying degrees of functionality. It's become the norm.

Most other add on aircraft are junk compared to PMDG...

Edited February 26, 20233 yr by Bobsk8

35 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

So explain why people have been asking Fenix to come out with winglets, and they have been working on it for months and still are apparently. 

Easy:  it takes millions of binary digits to build winglets and there are supply chain issues still... 🙃

My EFB consists of these items:

https://flightsim.to/file/9723/kneeboard-viewer-10

Navigraph Charts

TOPER

and a PDF viewer.

Works excellently with every plane.

34 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Most other add on aircraft are junk compared to PMDG...

What....

PMDG blame Asobo this Asobo that for things one being the EFB. When everyone knows its just PMDG being PMDG no one else has problems besides them and they can't admit to it. If I remember correctly when streamers showcased the 737-700 and when they landed the plane would just flip over. Pretty sure the streamers and beta testers mentioned it to PMDG and nothing was done.....

2 minutes ago, carlanthony24 said:

What....

PMDG blame Asobo this Asobo that for things one being the EFB. When everyone knows its just PMDG being PMDG no one else has problems besides them and they can't admit to it. If I remember correctly when streamers showcased the 737-700 and when they landed the plane would just flip over. Pretty sure the streamers and beta testers mentioned it to PMDG and nothing was done.....

Tell us, what is your favorite high quality aircraft in MSFS?