1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

Most other add on aircraft are junk compared to PMDG...

If an EFB is unnecessary and unwanted then why are PMDG engaged in making one?

Anyway what I like about Boeing is that there are a lot of things you need to do yourself!

I also like the Fenix but Airbus is more automated with a lot of things

Like to be busy a little bit still and be in control of the controls…..

Edited February 26, 20233 yr by rob0203

27 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

I don't even understand what you are trying to say.

Like the other comment I put they didn't do anything about the flipping over on landing till every one saw on streams and started to kick off about it. Streamers and testers told them and they did nothing about it till us viewers kicked off they were really hoping it would go undetected.

Edited February 26, 20233 yr by carlanthony24

5 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

V1 is a speed calculated in part by the runway length in front of you. The shorter the available runway, the lower the V1 speed.

 

Yes but only if the usable runway from an intersection isn't long enough to support a V1 near Vr.  At the big airports, there is usually still plenty of runway for a 737, so V1 and Vr are within a few knots of each other (at least on a dry runway.). At this point, extra runway either in from of or behind you becomes fairly irrelevant.  You're going to reject for a serious problem basically right up to the time you go flying, and a high speed reject is going to be max effort either way.  

When takeoff data is calculated the way it is at the airlines, there's really no difference between an intersection takeoff and any other takeoff.  You are right that if the runway gets short enough, a larger split starts developing between V1 and Vr, but these big hub airports don't usually run those kinds of ops.  Much more likely to see it on a full length takeoff out of Wrangell, Orange County, Burbank etc.

1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

Actually no. I was never a big Airbus fan, but I decided to buy the Fenix when it came out because it was the first high tech airliner in MSFS.

But PMDG released their 737-700 before Fenix released their A320?

4 hours ago, longhaul747 said:

Regardless because of pure arrogance we will never see a PMDG 737NG again without those winglets.  Opens the door for the competition to come in and do it is what it does!

12 months most likely isn't the time they would need to work on it alone, but everything else factored in like working on at least 2 other planes at the same time, keeping up with sim updates, developing an EFB and restructuring the development process and personnel allocation for something they didn't even plan to do. You paid for what the product was supposed to be and just because you paid for it doesn't mean the developer has to do what you demand.

If they don't do non-winglet versions it's just a business decision in that it's apparently not worth the costs (time, money, etc.) to develop something of small demand, not arrogance. I think with the release delays that have been happening and still are (EFB) we can all see they have their plate more than full and for the sake of everyone wanting a MAX, a 777 and a 747 I'm content with their decision on non-winglet 737 versions.

 

1 hour ago, carlanthony24 said:

Like the other comment I put they didn't do anything about the flipping over on landing till every one saw on streams and started to kick off about it. Streamers and testers told them and they did nothing about it till us viewers kicked off they were really hoping it would go undetected.

Any developer with self-respect would not ignore their plane flipping on landing and hoping it goes unnoticed. By all accounts the flipping issue happened in a rare config state on landing that didn't show any sooner than the streams. Do you have any source for your claim?

31 minutes ago, jbdbow1970 said:

But PMDG released their 737-700 before Fenix released their A320?

Buy what, a couple of days. I was still waiting for PMDG to fix the DC6 back then. 

27 minutes ago, Nixoq said:

12 months most likely isn't the time they would need to work on it alone, but everything else factored in like working on at least 2 other planes at the same time, keeping up with sim updates, developing an EFB and restructuring the development process and personnel allocation for something they didn't even plan to do. You paid for what the product was supposed to be and just because you paid for it doesn't mean the developer has to do what you demand.

If they don't do non-winglet versions it's just a business decision in that it's apparently not worth the costs (time, money, etc.) to develop something of small demand, not arrogance. I think with the release delays that have been happening and still are (EFB) we can all see they have their plate more than full and for the sake of everyone wanting a MAX, a 777 and a 747 I'm content with their decision on non-winglet 737 versions.

 

Any developer with self-respect would not ignore their plane flipping on landing and hoping it goes unnoticed. By all accounts the flipping issue happened in a rare config state on landing that didn't show any sooner than the streams. Do you have any source for your claim?

It is PMDG we are talking about. Self respect when they blame Asobo for most things. Where as Fenix blame Asobo when they need to. You don't see them going round at first blaming Asobo till they are absolutely certain. Whereas PMDG just go we are waiting on Asobo etc. Even MSFS called them out on a Twitch stream about it which says it all.

It was literally said in streams before pre release it was a talking topic when it first happened. If I remember correctly it might have been Fabio that they didn't test flaps 40 often since it was better to land flaps 30 the few that did experience said about it and nothing was done. Having gone through clips it doesn't take me to the full vods any more so I can't go through and find where.

Edited February 26, 20233 yr by carlanthony24

8 minutes ago, carlanthony24 said:

Self respect when they blame Asobo for most things

I'm tired of this sulky nonsense.

They don't "blame" Asobo for anything as long as you have the ability to not twist and misinterpret a statement and I'm pretty sure Asobo don't feel that they do despite peoples "interpretations" of such.

They give rational explanations for why they do or do not, can or cannot do things at a given time.

Wah wah wah, now now now, why why why.

It's boring.

 

 

1 minute ago, Jazz said:

I'm tired of this sulky nonsense.

They don't "blame" Asobo for anything as long as you have the ability to not twist and misinterpret a statement and I'm pretty sure Asobo don't feel that they do despite peoples "interpretations" of such.

They give rational explanations for why they do or do not, can or cannot do things at a given time.

Wah wah wah, now now now, why why why.

It's boring.

 

 

Well a lot of people are sick of PMDG with lies etc. They literally blamed Asobo for no EFB from the start. We all know its because they don't want to do new code for it.

Edited February 26, 20233 yr by carlanthony24

1 minute ago, Jazz said:

I'm tired of this sulky nonsense.

They don't "blame" Asobo for anything as long as you have the ability to not twist and misinterpret a statement and I'm pretty sure Asobo don't feel that they do despite peoples "interpretations" of such.

They give rational explanations for why they do or do not, can or cannot do things at a given time.

Wah wah wah, now now now, why why why.

It's boring.

 

 

I believe he gets off on just bashing PMDG.  Utter nonsense. 

13 minutes ago, carlanthony24 said:

It is PMDG we are talking about. Self respect when they blame Asobo for most things. Where as Fenix blame Asobo when they need to. You don't see them going round at first blaming Asobo till they are absolutely certain. Whereas PMDG just go we are waiting on Asobo etc. Even MSFS called them out on a Twitch stream about it which says it all.

It was literally said in streams before pre release it was a talking topic when it first happened. If I remember correctly it might have been Fabio that they didn't test flaps 40 often since it was better to land flaps 30 the few that did experience said about it and nothing was done. Having gone through clips it doesn't take me to the full vods any more so I can't go through and find where.

PMDG are trying to sell products that enjoy a certain reputation, so they're not going to simply ignore a known big issue and hope no one notices (which was always going to happen, as we've seen).

Where I'd like a source is that they allegedly didn't do anything about the issue and hoped it wouldn't show rather than simply not having been able to fix it in time for the streams. It's an extreme stretch to say they would knowingly release a plane that flips whenever flaps 40 is used out of laziness or something when it's way more likely they couldn't find the solution in time.

2 minutes ago, carlanthony24 said:

Well a lot of people are sick of PMDG with lies etc. They literally blamed Asobo for no EFB from the start. We all know its because they don't want to do new code for it.

No, they literally didn't. As for lies? Careful with the aspersions you cast.

Just now, Bobsk8 said:

I believe he gets off on just bashing PMDG.  Utter nonsense. 

I don't I fly the PMDG and purchase the products but not only myself but others have the same feeling when it comes down to the things they say and come out with. It's like you with Fenix you say everything in Discord then come on here and say the same and get the same response. Cough landing being one of them.

Just now, Jazz said:

No, they literally didn't. As for lies? Careful with the aspersions you cast.

You look on FSElite etc they literally were fed up with lies.....