Just now, Ray Proudfoot said:

You live in England. Australia is 8-10 hours ahead of us. New Zealand is 11-12 hours ahead. There is one set of weather data. If you start MSFS at 11:00 your time the local time in Sydney is 21:00. That’s well after dark. Hence nighttime weather for your daytime flight.

The only way to get matching weather is to keep the aircraft clock to Zulu time irrespective of where you are in the world. So if you want to fly around Sydney in daylight you need to fly between 21:00 - 09:00.

Yes. I did not read what you initially said carefully enough Ray. It was explained to me above. I understand what you meant now. Cheers.

4 hours ago, Ricardo41 said:

Have you tried the weather in MSFS? 

At any rate, there is no indication that MSFS will open the weather api to third-party developers, so why are we beating this dead horse?

I don’t need to because everything I’m stating is actual, not an opinion. If you’re not interested in the weather being opened up to third party developers you can continue as you are. Nothing is being forced on you.

Imagine if third party aircraft developers were locked out. Would you be happy flying just default aircraft? I suspect not.

2 hours ago, GoranM said:

Do you not realize how, for want of a better word, "arrogant" you come across.  You're telling the President of HiFi, someone who has made a career out of weather add on development, who was revered among everyone in flight simming, along with letting everyone else here know, "You're software is not needed in MSFS.  Please take your software elsewhere.  Take it to a platform that uses (in your own words) legacy code".

Yup. I said that AS is not needed in MSFS. Just as you said it isn't needed for XP although I found, personally, that it was absolutely needed. Nowhere did I say take it elsewhere?

I have no idea why Asobo won't open up the weather for third parties but that is their decision. I don't see why they are under any obligation to do so just to help a developer who comes along whining that his market has collapsed? That's life.

Edited March 10, 20233 yr by jarmstro

3 hours ago, CO2Neutral said:

Fortunately there are other more mature and capable platforms for HiFi Simulation Technologies and other weather engine developers to share their talent and skills.  There are many SDK MSFS limitations, weather is just one in a long long list.

Unfortunately the consumer market favors visuals over anything else as demonstrated in this thread and some of the comments ... predictable unfortunately ("default state", good grief, seriously?).  Over 2.5 (3+ for some of us) years and Asobo are restricted by whatever can be accomplished on the current Xbox platform (the real reason we don't see more is due to performance considerations of the Xbox hardware).

Always funny to see this cope the moment someone finds out their game is on a console, an x86 machine mind you but alas. No, PC users are not restricted to what is available for Xbox, this is demonstrated by the numerous addons that use external programs, WASM compilations etc. that are all available on PC that are not on Xbox. If it hasn't already been shown, Both versions are compiled to different a specification, with the PC variant being standard, and Xbox having functionality removed.

3 hours ago, CO2Neutral said:

Microsoft's business perspective that's good for their ROI, from someone who's more interested in all the complexity of flight,

The cognitive dissonance is unreal to suggest Asobo isn't interested in complexity of flight, what so CFD, was just for fun? The "from the ground-up" helicopter flight model, just a figment of your imagination? Partnering with Ini to bring the high fidelity A310, that was for the "gamers" amiright? Where have we seen any other sim with the complexity of weather modelling as we've seen in MSFS as a default offering. Which other sim has dedicated itself to garnering a mass audience to appease simmers of varying levels and allow anyone from anywhere to just get started.

3 hours ago, CO2Neutral said:

MSFS is a dead end road with little hope of graduating (it still hovers around a 2.5-3 star rating among users in MS Store ... strictly "average").

Are you actually suggesting the rating system on MS Store is a reliable form of guaging the authenticity of MSFS to the spirit of flight? You have to be kidding.

3 hours ago, CO2Neutral said:

But Microsoft/Asobo have left the door of opportunity wide open and I guarantee another vendors/developers will step in and step up ... UE5 is a significant leap forward and BlackShark.Ai is now available to all ... put the pieces together watch this space.

MSFS uses blackshark.ai, have you not watched any development featurettes or streams?. UE5 isn't built for planet sized maps. Do you just continue to pull information from the sky and hope it sticks?

Either this is a poorly written troll attempt, or just a downright ability to face what's real and present in MSFS because what? it's also on Xbox?

I wholeheartedly agree that MSFS should open their weather API to allow to like of AS and various other weather devs to insert their magic into MSFS to their liking. However, many know there's various legal issues with meteoblue to do so, but I have no reason to think Jorg is going to remain firm on that considering the wants of their users. I also agree the weather engine needs an expansion on cloud depiction, humidity etc. but I don't see any reason we won't get it in the future. I feel the frustrations that the HiFli team is experiencing and I hope MSFS finds a solution that works with them while also benefitting these devs eager to bring their product to the sim.

They shouldn't provide weather SDK access because of any developer, they should do it because it will benefit everyone and allow much more innovation, features and integration between all kinds of add-ons.  And other sims should keep open access to all kinds of add-ons and types for the same reasons.  I think it's clear that alienating any aspect of the simulator from 3rd party participation has been an overall negative and will continue to be such, and plenty of others in the community obviously agree with that, which breeds much of these discussions.  Of course with the decisions made so far, that's life, but that doesn't mean it was a positive for the community nor an example of how to do things moving forward.  I think the small vocal resistance to XP12 weather extensibility (from many of the same against it in MSFS), yet the growing demand and obvious benefit being provided, perhaps leading to LR's decision to keep things open for all, and even extending things further and give the community and developers what they're asking for, along with continued improvement of the underlying weather system offered by default, is a great example of that.  A win for everyone and much more forward innovation.

I truly hope MS/Asobo consider balanced feedback if/when faced with a decision to open things up later on, if they are able.  Until then, everyone should respect everyone else's decisions, positions and opinions.  Thanks for keeping it civil.

Edited March 10, 20233 yr by Damian Clark

1 hour ago, cagarini said:

As good as the devs intentions may be, the main reason I totally gave up on MFS is the amalgamated type of modelling it does of pretty much every important stuff for me as a simmer, starting with the FM, going through the ATC and Weather...

 

What is your point Jose ? Doing the X-Plane gospel evangelism shtick to save our lost souls 👐? Because this is what it sounds like 😄. After my micro (and friendly, hey we like you Jose) rant, back to the thread.

MSFS weather suffers from three  flaws :

- one was self-inflicted by some in the community asking loudly for metar at airports when the weather system was constructed onto another paradigm. It meshes not too well with MB predictive weather. The « I want to see in the sim what I see out of of my window » syndrome… 

- another one is the lack of real weather for the last 24 hours not allowing to sync the weather and the time of the day. It is a bit frustrating to fly at noon with what is obviously a night foggy live conditions for instance. 

- the  abysmal information system which makes difficult to know the wind strength and direction as the different sources within the sim gives different indications.

If it was not for these flaws, as a mostly VFR flyer, MSFS weather is perfect for me. And I see it getting improved over the months. Should Asobo dedicate manpower to open the API ? Their call.

1 hour ago, jarmstro said:

Just as you said it isn't needed for XP

I said I didn't need it.  Personally.  I never said it wasn't needed.  Some people found value in it.  Others didn't.  The difference is, I never made a post about it, telling people MSFS weather is good enough.  You mentioned it wasn't needed for MSFS.  Subtext is like a second language to me.

 

Edited March 10, 20233 yr by GoranM

If everyone was running different weather injection systems wouldn't it bork things like multiplayer, bush flights, missions etc etc?

8 minutes ago, GoranM said:

The difference is, I never made a post about it, telling them to take their software elsewhere.  You did.

So what? What on earth are you on about?

Edited March 10, 20233 yr by jarmstro

1 minute ago, jarmstro said:

If everyone was running different weather injection systems wouldn't it bork things like multiplayer, bush flights, missions etc etc?

It wouldn't have to.  There's no reason to override default scenario/theme weather or multiplayer weather.  There are examples of different simulators/weather injectors running well in multiplayer (VATSIM/IVAO, Pilot Edge, etc).  And the weather SDK could enable other add-ons to read and consider all that weather (regardless of source) and handle it similarly to prevent any compatibility or integration issues.  As for weather sync, from an AS client, to other AS clients, or non-AS users with an AS host, for example, that's one of the features we've been excited to make happen for MSFS, ...... , but we'll have that for the other sims pretty soon.

@jarmstro

Nothing.  It's obvious I can't get through to you.  I have other things to do, other than engage with someone who thinks their opinion is more important than others.

Enjoy your default MSFS, John

Edited March 10, 20233 yr by GoranM

4 minutes ago, Damian Clark said:

It wouldn't have to.  There's no reason to override default scenario/theme weather or multiplayer weather.  There are examples of different simulators/weather injectors running well in multiplayer (VATSIM/IVAO, Pilot Edge, etc).  And the weather SDK could enable other add-ons to read and consider all that weather (regardless of source) and handle it similarly to prevent any compatibility or integration issues.  As for weather sync, from an AS client, to other AS clients, or non-AS users with an AS host, for example, that's one of the features we've been excited to make happen for MSFS, ...... , but we'll have that for the other sims pretty soon.

What is the reason why Asobo won't open up the weather to third parties? I'm guessing there  must be one but I have no idea what it could be? Maybe they just haven't got round to it because they have other priorities?

Edited March 10, 20233 yr by jarmstro

19 minutes ago, Dominique_K said:

What is your point Jose ? Doing the X-Plane gospel evangelism shtick to save our lost souls 👐? Because this is what it sounds like 😄. After my micro (and friendly, hey we like you Jose) rant, back to the thread.

MSFS weather suffers from three  flaws :

- one was self-inflicted by some in the community asking loudly for metar at airports when the weather system was constructed onto another paradigm. It meshes not too well with MB predictive weather. The « I want to see in the sim what I see out of of my window » syndrome… 

- another one is the lack of real weather for the last 24 hours not allowing to sync the weather and the time of the day. It is a bit frustrating to fly at noon with what is obviously a night foggy live conditions for instance. 

- the  abysmal information system which makes difficult to know the wind strength and direction as the different sources within the sim gives different indications.

If it was not for these flaws, as a mostly VFR flyer, MSFS weather is perfect for me. And I see it getting improved over the months. Should Asobo dedicate manpower to open the API ? Their call.

I see your point, and it was the same with me until the launch of the suposed "soaring weather"...

I was very disappointed with the end result, and see no signs of it getting better in the future. As it is, it's very incinsistent and useless from a soaring simulation pov.

To be honest I haven't yet understood what that "out of phase" with date-time problem is because I simply quited using MFS, but I will try to read more about it and try to understand.

 

3 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

Maybe they just haven't got round to it because they have other priorities?

After 2.5 years?

I'd put weather near the top of the list of priorities.  But that's just me.  I mean, it affects flight characteristics, at ALL TIMES.  On the ground.  At taxi.  Takeoff.  Climb out.  Cruise.  Descent.  Landing.

But what do I know?

2 minutes ago, GoranM said:

I mean, it affects flight characteristics, at ALL TIMES.  On the ground.  At taxi.  Takeoff.  Climb out.  Cruise.  Descent.  Landing.

You don't say. Who would have known.