1 hour ago, Christopher Low said:

I think the real point is that nobody needs more than 60fps. The human eye probably can tell the difference between 60 and 90fps, but as far as I am concerned, if I could get 60fps absolutely everywhere in my flight simulator, I certainly would not be thinking about wasting more money just to try and match the "big boys".

“Nobody needs”

Thats a bold statement in a world where many simmers use VR HMDs with 90 Hz refresh rates, or monitors that works best at 120 Hz. 

 

1 hour ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

Not this again. 120FPS is way better than 60 FPS. In terms of a fluid, motion feeling. I can tell, and anyone that says that they cant tell is telling porkies. 

At least it’s “no one needs more than 60 FPS” now. It used to be “no one needs 60 FPS” (actually that was yesterday) and before that, “no one needs 30 FPS”.

Perhaps this fixed false belief is the outcome of a generation of simmers who had to adapt to the 6 FPS they were getting from FSX back in ‘06. 🙂

Seems I was lucky enough to get one. For anyone in Germany, Cyberport.de seems to still have them on stock.

 

13 hours ago, scotchegg said:

and with frame generation on the newest cards, CPU choice is probably even less important.

But...FG doesn't fix an overloaded main thread w/ associated stutters...

15 hours ago, scotchegg said:

and with frame generation on the newest cards, CPU choice is probably even less important.

it is extremely important because FrameGeneration does not work in VR, the Ryzens 7xxxx3D are the 4090 for VR so to speak. my i9-9900K main game core coupled with a 4090 shows 95% load, so 7xxxx3D is currently the only way to improve performance via hardware. besides after 5 years a man deserves a change and try something new to explore and play with. 😊

Edited April 6, 20233 yr by turbomax

For those buying a 7800X3D or 7950X3D, what Mobo did you go with? 32 gig or 64 gig of ram, and what speed/CL did you choose?

My current plan:

ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-E Gaming WiFi AM5 ATX Motherboard

64 gig of G. Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5-6000.

just ordered my 7800x3D for 419,- + tax. will be here next week. now off to new motherboard and DDR5 😊

4 minutes ago, OzWhitey said:

what speed/CL did you choose

I understand that RAM speed is not that important with the 7800X3D unlike with Intel 13900K, which doesn't surprise me considering the CPU will work mostly off it's cache, which is ca. 7 x faster than the fastest RAM. the question is to go with the new $ 85 A620 chipset or the beefier X760 if you can ignore PCIe 5 and get by with PCIe 4 instead, since no GPU uses/needs/benefits from PCIe 5 anyway,

4 hours ago, OzWhitey said:

VR HMDs with 90 Hz refresh rates

90 Hz is the LED refresh rate, but the image itself does not refresh at 90 Hz, no one is getting 90 fps in VR in MSFS at 2kx2k resolution. 😍

49 minutes ago, OzWhitey said:

For those buying a 7800X3D or 7950X3D, what Mobo did you go with? 32 gig or 64 gig of ram, and what speed/CL did you choose?

My current plan:

ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-E Gaming WiFi AM5 ATX Motherboard

64 gig of G. Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5-6000.

I got a TUF model, which seems more than enough for the 7800X3D and 32GB DDR-6000/CL30 initially, but will upgrade to 64GB down the road. It seems that using 4 memory slots is still a bit unstable on AM-5.

13 hours ago, turbomax said:

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D has been on long final since February 28, and not landed yet. 🤣

My computer company placed the order today and it’s in stock. Do you live on a rock in the middle of the ocean?

11 hours ago, styckx said:

Same.. I'm not spending thousands of dollars for marginable at best improvements. 

Tell me you have no clue without telling me. New mobo, 32gb ram and 7800x3d all for under $1,000

46 minutes ago, GCBraun said:

I got a TUF model, which seems more than enough for the 7800X3D and 32GB DDR-6000/CL30 initially, but will upgrade to 64GB down the road. It seems that using 4 memory slots is still a bit unstable on AM-5.

Do you think the CL30 is necessary/helpful for MSFS?  I’ve been looking at CL32, about $80 cheaper for me than the CL30.

Just now, OzWhitey said:

Do you think the CL30 is necessary/helpful for MSFS?  I’ve been looking at CL32, about $80 cheaper for me than the CL30.

Well, I can't really say what is the delta between the CL30 and CL32, but knowing that AM5 is very sensitive to RAM speed, I would rather save a bit on the Mobo and get better RAM. Is there any particular feature that is available on the ROG when compared to other models such as the TUF? At least here in Germany the difference between the two is about 200 Euros!

7 hours ago, OzWhitey said:

That's theory, maybe. Theory is not as good as real-world testing.

That's not a theory anymore.  Gamers Nexus tested this and both 7950X3D and 7800X3D varied between 4.7-5.1 ghz depending on PBO / Optimizer settings.

It's all so close anyway, that it is within the margin of error, and you're talking a few fps in MSFS when you're already getting say 80+. 

As said then it comes down to, do you want to spend $450 or $900?   And if you do compile tasks/encoding or games that don't respond to L3 cache, etc. then the latter would give you the best of both worlds.  If you rarely compile/encode or mainly just play MSFS then the $450 would do you fine.  That's a question only the user can ask themselves.