Been trying a few engine failure scenarios in the Fenix A320 and it's rather inconsistent, being it manually or AP controlled.

I have chosen for one of the engines to fail after V1, or at around 250 feet. 

While manually flying the aircraft there's no stabilization, no coherent bank stabilization using roll spoilers and ailerons and rudder, and although I pitch the aircraft down it barely climbs at medium / high GWs...

If I switch the AP on a rolling coaster series of roll oscillations starts, and external views show the roll spoilers flapping, as well as the rudder....

AP rudder trim inputs are way inferior to RL data and observation of similar scenarios.

It's an area where this Airbus lags quite a bit behind it's FSLabs and Toliss alternatives 😞

Haven't heard much about updates. I did read something about some v2 comming but I wonder if they're going to make it a payware upgrade?

Edited April 17, 20233 yr by jcomm

22 minutes ago, jcomm said:

Haven't heard much about updates. I did read something about some v2 comming but I wonder if they're going to make it a payware upgrade?

No, it will be free and will include a custom engine model plus the IAE engines and (possibly in a later update) the Sharklets.
As for "when" it could be anytime, they never announce releases early (like announcing an EFB more than one year before it's actually released...). Their main developer for the custom engine model is living in Ukraine which caused some significant delays in the past year (due to power outages etc.).
I agree that the lack of public update statements is a negative, but that's just how they do it and does not mean that there's no progress. It's just the other extreme of what RSR does, I guess.

Personally I'd like to hear something along "we are quite sure it will be released in 2023", just to have something to look forward to. I know these things take time (FSL took like 3 years for the Sharklets only - and their devs were not in a war zone...), but I think a very rough timeframe is something customers can legitimately expect since that update still a part of the product they paid for (it was said that those things will come with a free update if you buy the Fenix).
 

Plenty of info on their Discord.

2 hours ago, jcomm said:

engine failure scenarios in the Fenix A320

Currently the engine failure in Fenix A320 is poorly simulated, in terms of engine performance and the behavior of the FDE, either in manual control or with autopilot, as you have already noticed. The good news is V2 of the Fenix Sim A320 will bring significant improvements to the flight dynamics, engine model and performance and that they are still very much alive and active, with plenty of work ongoing behind the scene. Sadly they not share an release date for update V2.

1 hour ago, jonesrob said:

Plenty of info on their Discord.

Sure, if you want to learn when PayPal is down again or see 13-year-olds saying "wen IAE" a million times. 

Half joking here. (but only half)

1 hour ago, jonesrob said:

Plenty of info on their Discord.

I don't use Discord, nor do I use FaceBook or any other similar Social Media channels, so, a product has either a Web Forum or a Ticketing system, or even an email-based support or is a No-Go for me 😕

Since I love Airbuses and the Fenix looks like a rather promising simulation, I opened an exception...

Edited April 17, 20233 yr by jcomm

21 minutes ago, jcomm said:

I don't use Discord, nor do I use FaceBook or any other similar Social Media channels, so, a product has either a Web Forum or a Ticketing system, or even an email-based support or is a No-Go for me 😕

Since I love Airbuses and the Fenix looks like a rather promising simulation, I opened an exception...

But …. They DO have a ticketing system. Access from Dashboard/Support.

1 hour ago, SierraDelta said:

But …. They DO have a ticketing system. Access from Dashboard/Support.

Yep, now I remember, I used it to report the bug with the Steering Tiller Disconnect button logic...  They acknowledged it long time ago.

Based on personals experience going through commercial multiengine  training there was nothing stable about flying aircraft on one engine especially in climb. You just "slip the ball", "raise the dead" and decide "fix or feather".  It was awkward in the begging of training as well as during checkride. 

I'm not familiar with A320 engine out procedures but based on this vid you are not just sit and watch autopilot handles it for you  

 

 

42 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

Based on personals experience going through commercial multiengine  training there was nothing stable about flying aircraft on one engine especially in climb. You just "slip the ball", "raise the dead" and decide "fix or feather".  It was awkward in the begging of training as well as during checkride. 

I'm not familiar with A320 engine out procedures but based on this vid you are not just sit and watch autopilot handles it for you  

 

 

Under Normal Law, Airbuses do a lot more for their pilots than the typical ME trainer...

A320 Engine Failure after V1 - YouTube

Surely not the strange sequence that follows the simulation of an engine failure after V1 in the Fenix A320, in it's present state... No proper roll spoiler use, no rudder trim action * monitor the F/CTL page in the lower EICAS *

Note the explanation of the expected bahaviour / response from the FMGS, as well as from the pilot.

 

 

Edited April 17, 20233 yr by jcomm

14 minutes ago, jcomm said:

 

Puzzles me that none of the Real Life pilot youtubers mention it (?)

I presently don't have any other Airbus for MFS installed, so I can't compare with other tthann the FSLabs A320 or the Toliss Airbuses or the Airlinetools A32x CBT, or the real Airbus docs & tutorial videos.

 

 

 

May be RL 320 youtubers not really expecting abnormal procedures? (in Fenix 320)

Edited April 17, 20233 yr by sd_flyer

56 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

I'm not familiar with A320

I’m very, very familiar with A320 normal and abnormal procedures, including engine failures. So I can say with certainty that in the current state the Fenix A320 has problems in simulating the flight conditions and behavior of the autopilot or in manual flight, when it comes to simulate one engine operations. @Aamir can confirm this with certainty. The good thing is that all this misbehaving will be fixed in the future v2 update.

2 minutes ago, polosim said:

I’m very, very familiar with A320 normal and abnormal procedures, including engine failures. So I can say with certainty that in the current state the Fenix A320 has problems in simulating the flight conditions and behavior of the autopilot or in manual flight, when it comes to simulate one engine operations. @Aamir can confirm this with certainty. The good thing is that all this misbehaving will be fixed in the future v2 update.

And it is frequently discussed on Discord, for those that want accurate info. 

I’m quite a fan of Fenix, Toliss and FSLabs.

I agree there are problems with Fenix - they’re being worked on. But there are equally problems with Toliss, like diffficulties centring the beta target and the autopilot sending you into a death dive (see Blackbox711’s recent stream).

FSLabs single engine handling “feels” better… but it struggles elsewhere, such as flying holding patterns… can’t have everything sadly! Wish we could. 

1 hour ago, polosim said:

I’m very, very familiar with A320 normal and abnormal procedures, including engine failures. So I can say with certainty that in the current state the Fenix A320 has problems in simulating the flight conditions and behavior of the autopilot or in manual flight, when it comes to simulate one engine operations. @Aamir can confirm this with certainty. The good thing is that all this misbehaving will be fixed in the future v2 update.

Ok, so I'm curious does A320 has critical engine? Is it hard to compensate for asymmetric thrust?

 The only experience I had in turbojet abnormal ops is in AN-124/225 simulator and as far as I remember scenario loosing all engines on one side causing airplane to slip dramatically. If pilots don't react timely  there is point of no return .