16 hours ago, tup61 said:

Not even close.

Agreed.

Bruce

On 6/7/2023 at 5:47 PM, jfri said:

Do we not already have the solution to these weather limitation in MSFS ? I think of REX Weather Force. That product seem to do the same thing as Active Sky does.

To give MSFS 2020 time to mature I've waited until now to buy it, but apparently I didn't wait long enough. I've only been at this a week now - so take what I say with a grain of salt - but it's shaping up to be a huge step backward from flying the PMDG 737 in FSX for me. Mostly because of the weather model. I just don't know if I'm going to be able to adapt my sense of immersion and suspension of disbelief to these sorry state of affairs. Here are the problems I'm having:

- I don't want to be forced fly "live" night time weather in a flight set up for daylight hours etc., and I certainly don't want to 'scan around' the country or globe looking for weather conditions that are close to those I'm looking to fly in. And as for setting up a static weather scenario, that's even worse. Weather planning, making fuel/time of arrival adjustments, adapting to changing conditions etc., are a huge part of real life flying, and they are also a big part of what I enjoy doing in this type of flight sim. So what, I'm supposed to take off in a snow storm in Chicago and then land in the same snow storm in Miami, and just shrug this off?

- I often enjoy making winter flights in the real life summer, or vice versa, and I particularly enjoy setting up challenging (and changing) weather conditions to fly in. In FSX I could use Historical Weather to do this, but actually, some sort of a 'Dynamic' weather engine would also be just fine with me. So when I started reading about the Rex Weather Force 'Dynamic Presets' feature, I was elated. However as far as I can tell, there is currently no way to import these scenarios into a flight planner. And that's huge for me. I may be an avid simmer, but I'm certainly not into trying to figure out this kind of minutia on my own. Nor I believe, are most real life pilots or dispatchers for that matter.

An example, here's an outline of my old favorite route in FSX:

It's wet, cold, and windy winter weather in Seattle, there are powerful headwinds blowing across the Pacific, and it will be challenging making a PFPX ETOPS plan that can get my little Alaskan Airlines 737-800 over to one of the outlying Hawaiian islands. But after making a few different load/balance/ and fuel adjustments, I'm off. On landing maybe I even thread the needle with my weather radar through a few nasty thunderstorms. So can I do any of this in MSFS? Well...I'm sure am not having any luck figuring out how.

- Doug Biggs                 /rant off

 

Edited June 9, 20233 yr by seamutt

18 minutes ago, seamutt said:

To give MSFS 2020 time to mature I've waited until now to buy it, but apparently I didn't wait long enough. I've only been at this a week now - so take what I say with a grain of salt - but it's shaping up to be a huge step backward from flying the PMDG 737 in FSX for me. Mostly because of the weather model. I just don't know if I'm going to be able to adapt my sense of immersion and suspension of disbelief to these sorry state of affairs. Here are the problems I'm having:

- I don't want to be forced fly "live" night time weather in a flight set up for daylight hours etc., and I certainly don't want to 'scan around' the country or globe looking for weather conditions that are close to those I'm looking to fly in. And as for setting up a static weather scenario, that's even worse. Weather planning, making fuel/time of arrival adjustments, adapting to changing conditions etc., are a huge part of real life flying, and they are also a big part of what I enjoy doing in this type of flight sim. So what, I'm supposed to take off in a snow storm in Chicago and then land in the same snow storm in Miami, and just shrug this off?

 

It's how I felt too around New Year's when I started MSFS coming from FSX. 

I also wish for Active Sky or something similar. But I think for being included in the program, the live weather in MSFS is pretty good. I personally don't mind setting a daytime flight with nighttime live weather for such and such a location, as long as the conditions are somewhat believable. 

What would interest me most is how the 737 feels in FSX vs MSFS. I know MSFS looks better, but does it feel better? I'm still a bit sceptical bouncing around in the 737 on an uneven runway. I still don't buy that MSFS has better flight dynamics, physics etc. compared to P3D or FSX.

4 hours ago, seamutt said:

- I don't want to be forced fly "live" night time weather in a flight set up for daylight hours etc., and I certainly don't want to 'scan around' the country or globe looking for weather conditions that are close to those I'm looking to fly in. And as for setting up a static weather scenario, that's even worse. Weather planning, making fuel/time of arrival adjustments, adapting to changing conditions etc., are a huge part of real life flying, and they are also a big part of what I enjoy doing in this type of flight sim. So what, I'm supposed to take off in a snow storm in Chicago and then land in the same snow storm in Miami, and just shrug this off?

 

But why would you have to ? I am not sure I understand. Even default MSFS live weather seem to have different waether at different places. I coould select metars from different places with different weather data.

Maybe I should ask what does REX Weather Force offer that I don't get in MSFS default live weather ?

One day a weather injector, probably using the hyped  emergent "AI techniques", will offer Global Weather, actually "Dynamic Globa Weather", simulating the Globe Weather based on the time of the year, the placement of the jetstream constellations (like Aerowinx PSX base Globe Weather did since it was released... down to surface... blending or not there with METAR data if the users so wish).

One could choose among a range of Global Weather Scenarios, representative of different Global and / or local weather patterns, with dynamic evolution from a starting situation, possibly involving stochastic processes to create some randomness, and flight planers, or tools like those offered by Navigraph could be directed to it's "observation" data - virtual METAR / SPECI / PIREP and AIREP, as well as virtual forecasts (TAF, GAMET, SIGMET, ...).

That would make me happier than having to fight the limitations of platforms that try to do their best to merge forecast with observation but will always have their limitations ...

Such a system could give it's users the possibility of choosing among various scenarios for the departure / arrival / alternate weather situations, and then dynamically create an evolving Globe Weather cycle that would allow for a really interesting simulation of flights between those points...

When using Aerowinx custom built Global weather engine, if the user opts for the native model only then the METARs are generated based on the surface conditions for that Global model... The user can also opt for RW METAR data that will blend with the native Global weather model, or include OFP forecast data directly from several OFP formats (Official Flight Plan) to have a corridor built along the route that merges in almost perfection with the METARs of departure and destination as well as the PSX Global weather model, away from that corridor... It was a very sophisticated solution and could be further enhanced for future weather engines, should ASOBO make that possible, or LR for XP, or LM for P3D, ...

 

Edited June 9, 20233 yr by jcomm

3 hours ago, jfri said:

But why would you have to ? I am not sure I understand.

Why would he have to "what"?

If you mean why is he forced to fly with nighttime weather in daytime -- it's because MSFS has Live Weather.  It's exactly "Live" or "real time" or close to it.  That means if he lives in Chicago or New York or wherever and gets home from work in the evening, and wants to fly a daytime flight using live weather (it was a nice 90degF today at KMDW, and he wants to simulate that dicey hot-temp takeoff in a 737 out of postage-stamp airport Chicago Midway)...he can't do that because MSFS Live Weather gives him 75 degF because it's 9:00 pm at night.

He can't go back 6 hours in the sim and have 90degF weather departing KMDW.

People say, "just use a preset" --  A preset is static -- it would not change as he flew KMDW to KMIA.  So no line of mid-afternoon T-Storms to avoid over northern Florida.  Just cool calm night air.

If MSFS did no more than store the past 24 hours of MeteoBlue data it would solve this problem.

Its not a huge problem for me personally, I'm more interested in the weather actually being accurate to what is reported live.

3 hours ago, Mace said:

If you mean why is he forced to fly with nighttime weather in daytime -- it's because MSFS has Live Weather.  It's exactly "Live" or "real time" or close to it.  That means if he lives in Chicago or New York or wherever and gets home from work in the evening, and wants to fly a daytime flight using live weather (it was a nice 90degF today at KMDW, and he wants to simulate that dicey hot-temp takeoff in a 737 out of postage-stamp airport Chicago Midway)...he can't do that because MSFS Live Weather gives him 75 degF because it's 9:00 pm at night.

He can't go back 6 hours in the sim and have 90degF weather departing KMDW.

People say, "just use a preset" --  A preset is static -- it would not change as he flew KMDW to KMIA.  So no line of mid-afternoon T-Storms to avoid over northern Florida.  Just cool calm night air.

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I feel that the people that don't understand the need for a dynamic weather experience by using historic weather data get stuck on the concept of the word 'live'.

Fine, it's not live.
I want what was live weather from several hours earlier to replicate the hot, bumpy late afternoon arrival, that existed, rather than the still, dead of night weather conditions that I have to use because that's what the weather is *right now* when simming in the late evening.

Call it 'historic dynamic', call it fake, call it whatever. However, an historic 24-hour period of weather data that isn't just a static set of weather conditions in the sim (and would also integrate nicely with the 'live' traffic feed I use for AI) would be nirvana at this point.

10 hours ago, jcomm said:

One day a weather injector, probably using the hyped  emergent "AI techniques", will offer Global Weather, actually "Dynamic Globa Weather", simulating the Globe Weather based on the time of the year, the placement of the jetstream constellations (like Aerowinx PSX base Globe Weather did since it was released... down to surface... blending or not there with METAR data if the users so wish).

MSFS already uses weather that is helped by AI (when not within an airport METAR range), Meteoblue.

Meteoblue also keeps archives of all it's weather going back years (I don't remember what exactly), so Asobo could probably negotiate for that data.

Edited June 10, 20233 yr by Tuskin38

I finally see you guys discussing this problem that took us 2 years discussing elsewhere on the forum.... it took a while, but it happened!

6 hours ago, Juliet Alpha said:

I finally see you guys discussing this problem that took us 2 years discussing elsewhere on the forum.... it took a while, but it happened!

??  This has been discussed many times in this subforum and not all that long ago.