iniBuilds Honolulu Released

[Mike T 211]

Yikes, performance is pretty bad and that's with NO AI traffic.

[flyerkg 62]

Very Nice, a must buy for me!

[ryanbatc 13,011]

How's the perf?  JFK is a fps killer.

[Snuffleupagus 328]

All ini airports have been a fps killer for me too. 

[sniper31 650]

Well, on my system with plenty of AI traffic and in the Fenix A320, performance is as good as any regional commercial airliner airport that I have. Granted, I have a higher end system and I run in 2K. But I also have good performance at all of the heavy iniBuilds hitters like KJFK, EGLL and KLAX with my setup. 

[Steve Dra 7,604]

4 hours ago, Wise87 said:

Now if we could get them to make Atlanta and Dallas/Ft. Worth 🙂 

Those,  EDDF and EHAM and my list of major airports would be pretty much complete.

[Keirtt 588]

Running 4K here with plenty of ultra settings and no performance issues here. See hardware specs in my signature. I don't have any AI traffic other than VATSIM.

[Flying-Hare 218]

2K fixes many performance issues.

[HiFlyer 9,371]

2 hours ago, ryanbatc said:

How's the perf?  JFK is a fps killer.

Hmmmmmm? I get about 60-something FPS on ultra there, and I'm only rocking a 4070......

[ryanbatc 13,011]

50 minutes ago, HiFlyer said:

Hmmmmmm? I get about 60-something FPS on ultra there, and I'm only rocking a 4070......

You're running AI too?  Without AI and frame gen it's fine...usually 60 or so.  I also run ultra settings and tlod 200.  But with AI that airport drops me into the high 20s to low 30s even with FG.

I went back to check right now.  WT Longitude VC looking at the main terminal with AI traffic but clear skies about 38-45 frame gen. 20-25 true.  Add in weather though, and actual moving airplane, and my high settings its not a good combo I guess on my machine.  You also have a slightly faster cpu that me - perhaps that is a factor.  Don't get me wrong their sceneries look excellent - maybe some of the nicest texturing out there... but at a cost.  Compared to say Verticalsim, or FSDT, I tend to get about 20% less fps.

Edited August 28, 2023 by ryanbatc

[Max Kraus 341]

Looks beautiful, been waiting for something like this

[virtuali 4,437]

4 hours ago, Drumcode said:

FSDT’s version is a port from P3D and we deserve a MSFS native build IMO

Fact a scenery was already available for P3D, doesn't automatically make the MSFS version a non "native build".

You might have had a point for many other sceneries, including several of our own like LSZH, KSDF, CYVR, KCLT and in some ways KIAH as well.

Those were originally designed before PBR came out, so their textures and modeling was made taking into account this, so their materials weren't Physically Based, and texturing was made taking into account the non-PBR engines like FSX or P3D up to V3. To "port" these sceneries into MSFS, you need to convert their non-PBR textures and materials to PBR, and this process can be either partially automated, with questionable results, or with lots of manual work tweaked to look reasonably good, but never as if the modeling/texturing was made right from the start by taking account a PBR graphic engine.

KORD is nothing like that. It's has been 100% modeled and textured using a complete PBR workflow, there's NOTHING in its 3d source codes that links it to a specific simulator, it's just a series of 3d models whose textures has been made completely using PBR techniques, right from the start, so it's just as native to MSFS like any other scenery that is being made today.

Just to clarify: the whole point of using a full PBR workflow, is you can export something to any graphic engine (that supports PBR), and it will look as good as possible on that engine, and the end result would be based how well that engine represent physical light. The idea was precisely you shouldn't have to redo your textures and materials when moving from an engine to the other so, anything that was designed in PBR right from the start, should be considered "native" to any engine it gets exported to.

For example, if MSFS would eventually get, let's say, Ray Tracing, maybe in a future version, sceneries won't have to be textured again to take advantage of that, that was the whole point of the gaming industry moving towards PBR. Unfortunately, many underuse it, relegating to fancy metal effects, but it's in fact way more than that.

It's very important to understand this distinction, because trying to pass the principle that something is "not native", JUST because it's available on other platforms, it's just wrong, without understanding how that product was designed.

[ryanbatc 13,011]

Yes indeed... the FSDT KORD is really well done I think.  It looks far nicer than the P3D version.  And it doesn't murder my fps like inibuilds.

[Wise87 1,286]

5 hours ago, Drumcode said:

DD has ORD? That’s a first? 

I stand corrected. I confused the DD's Chicago Landmarks MSFS for the airport. 

[virtuali 4,437]

13 minutes ago, ryanbatc said:

It looks far nicer than the P3D version

Spot on.

The whole idea of PBR is: you model/texture your objects only once, and they'll look better and better, depending how well the target engine renders light. I guess it would look even better, should we export it to Unreal 5.2,since even a plain cube with no textures looks good there...

Edited August 28, 2023 by virtuali