Potential improvements for sky colors

[MarcG 3,029]

5 minutes ago, boez said:

@Biology Thanks for your detailed reply. Unfortunately to me the overall tone of the sim is less realistic as everything now has a pink (or maybe sepia) tone. I wonder if you could take a look at my post on the official forum...

 

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/new-sky-colors-etc-give-here-comparision-shots/614588/65

 

 

 

 

Eww that's horrible 😐

[abrams_tank 7,445]

1 hour ago, Biology said:

Sorry for the late response, but indeed I'm pretty happy with the changes.

Without seeing the new coefficients it's hard to comment but it appears that they chose something in between the old default values and what ARPC outputs for the ozone absorption coefficients. If I had to guess why, I'd say it's likely because the sunsets / sunrises look too green when using the ARPC coefficients as is without the required changes to the multiple scattering, so they likely had to make a compromise between the accuracy of the coefficients and the greenness of the sunsets / sunrises.

Another unexpected but welcome change is the day sky colors. While ozone absorption coefficients affect day sky colors, the effect is minimal, so it seems like they also changed the rayleigh scattering coefficients based on ARPC and not just the ozone absorption coefficients, making the day sky colors have a deeper blue hue with less green, a change that I really appreciate.

I would have been even happier if they tried to tweak the multiple scattering so that they could use the ozone absorption coefficients from ARPC as is, but they never said they would do that so I'm not disappointed as I had no expectations in that regard to begin with.

@Biology They are asking for your input in the official beta forum: https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/new-sky-colors-etc-give-here-comparision-shots/614588/61

Would you be able to respond there? Your input is probably the most important, since you are the one that got the ball rolling for the MSFS team to make these changes. Thanks.

[Alvega 2,125]

52 minutes ago, boez said:

@Biology Thanks for your detailed reply. Unfortunately to me the overall tone of the sim is less realistic as everything now has a pink (or maybe sepia) tone. I wonder if you could take a look at my post on the official forum...

 

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/new-sky-colors-etc-give-here-comparision-shots/614588/65

 

 

 

 

I agree. They shouldn't have changed the daytime color. I noticed the pink tone too. Hope they can make it better before releasing SU14.

Edited November 1, 2023 by Alvega

[B777ER 2,492]

1 hour ago, Alvega said:

I agree. They shouldn't have changed the daytime color. I noticed the pink tone too. Hope they can make it better before releasing SU14.

And I disagree, I’m glad they changed the daytime color. Looks much better.

[Alvega 2,125]

17 minutes ago, B777ER said:

And I disagree, I’m glad they changed the daytime color. Looks much better.

Ok, we can't all have the same opinion.

[Baber20 1,453]

1 hour ago, Alvega said:

I agree. They shouldn't have changed the daytime color. I noticed the pink tone too. Hope they can make it better before releasing SU14.

Respectfully disagree. I prefer the current daytime color. I hope they don't change this.

Edited November 1, 2023 by Baber20

[MrBitstFlyer 3,884]

1 hour ago, Alvega said:

I agree. They shouldn't have changed the daytime color. I noticed the pink tone too. Hope they can make it better before releasing SU14.

I find the new daytime colour much better. I have just removed Reshade and its filters because the green tint is gone in SU14.  can't say I have noticed a pink tone to anything, but we are only in the first couple of days with SU14.

[Baber20 1,453]

2 hours ago, boez said:

@Biology Thanks for your detailed reply. Unfortunately to me the overall tone of the sim is less realistic as everything now has a pink (or maybe sepia) tone. I wonder if you could take a look at my post on the official forum...

 

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/new-sky-colors-etc-give-here-comparision-shots/614588/65

 

 

 

 

I would say SU14 beta shots look more realistic. You can notice a slightly reddish hue in msfs2024 trailer aswell. To me this looks better than what we had where everything had this greenish tinge to it. The ambient lighting from the sun is supposed to be a bit on the reddish side. The change looks drastic now because the SIM's color tone was heavily green shifted since the launch.

Edited November 1, 2023 by Baber20

[Baber20 1,453]

2 hours ago, boez said:

@Biology

 

 

Edit. Double post.

Edited November 1, 2023 by Baber20

[ark 1,295]

When taking about subtle daytime color differences, wouldn't differences in how the user's monitor is setup color-wise be a significant factor? So what looks pinkish to one may not look pinkish to another.

Al

Edited November 1, 2023 by ark

[Alvega 2,125]

15 minutes ago, ark said:

When taking about subtle daytime color differences, wouldn't differences in how the user's monitor is setup color-wise be a significant factor? So what looks pinkish to one may not look pinkish to another.

Al

Probably. And some are using HDR monitors and Tv's too, so I'm sure we are not all seeing the same thing. The pink tone is very clear to me on the screenshots boez posted in the official forum, as he said even the top of the aircraft wings is pink. It looks like a pink livery instead of a white one. I see the same here.

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/new-sky-colors-etc-give-here-comparision-shots/614588/65?

 

Edited November 1, 2023 by Alvega

[Baber20 1,453]

If you take a look at this comparison, you will see that SU14 beta colors look closer to what we will get in MSFS2024.

MSFS2024

MSFS2020

[Alvega 2,125]

4 minutes ago, Baber20 said:

If you take a look at this comparison, you will see that SU14 beta colors look closer to what we will get in MSFS2024.

You don't know what we will get in 2024, that was just an early alpha preview.

What's your comment on the pink plane?

Edited November 1, 2023 by Alvega

[MrBitstFlyer 3,884]

56 minutes ago, ark said:

When taking about subtle daytime color differences, wouldn't differences in how the user's monitor is setup color-wise be a significant factor? So what looks pinkish to one may not look pinkish to another.

Al

Absolutely!  I use this calibrator to make sure my monitor is calibrated correctly.  If this is not done, nobody will know if they are seeing colours correctly.

Over on the official forums, somebody made this remark - ' I changed monitors and it completely changed how the sim looked' - that is why the monitor must be calibrated to a known standard!

Edited November 1, 2023 by MrBitstFlyer

[MrBitstFlyer 3,884]

12 minutes ago, Alvega said:

You don't know what we will get in 2024, that was just an early alpha preview.

What's your comment on the pink plane?

No way do I see any pink planes!  What I do see is all the overly green tint gone!